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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/13 10:21:56 (permalink)
How much clearance do you have? Upload a pic.
The closer they are the less cooling efficiency you will have. 
 
 

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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/13 10:31:56 (permalink)
Running two cards in 2 and 4 should have a minor impact to temperatures. I've run two 760s right next to each other before upgrading my motherboard, and I saw a 1-2 degree difference in temperatures under benchmark loads once I had space between the cards. If you have good airflow, the spacing won't be a problem. 
 
Slot 1 should still run at 16x with a single card in the system.

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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/13 15:34:00 (permalink)
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Good point.  That is unfortunate.  It's got 16x written on the motherboard for slot 1.  They should do something about that.
 
So is the airflow a big enough deal that I should move it to slot one and take the performance hit?  I'm not liquid cooling right now.




Technically Slot-1 is x16. It will run at x16 when alone. I agree that slots 1 and 4 should run together at x16 but unfortunately they don't. However, if you refer to the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJiYl2WAN-0&feature=youtu.be
you will see that he contacted eVGA and eVGA knows about the problem but when having cards in slots 1/4 and x8/x16 respectively there is literally no performance loss at all because slot1 is running on the CPU. It is within a margin of error. So technically you aren't losing much if anything. I realize it still is kinda lame since it's not technically x16 but at the same time you aren't really losing performance. I personally don't care because the board itself is amazing besides that and has been super solid with no problems. I have had my 780ti's in slots2/4 and they have been running fine. The top card does run hotter but oh well. If it doesn't work for you then I would suggest RMA'ing it and getting another board.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/14 22:17:51 (permalink)
Regardless, the board should work the way it was/is marketed and people plan a build around. I bought it cause I was wanting to run a second 780 ti in SLI 16x/16x...Slot 1 and slot 4.
Yes, the board seems solid other than a few lil issues, but still solid. In the end, I paid almost $400 for a board for a one specific reason that is not there now.

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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/18 10:16:24 (permalink)
No news on this?
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/18 10:48:28 (permalink)
ehh, of course not. it will come down to 'we made a typo on the lane reporting and you have to use slot 2 and slot 4 for dual SLI 16x/16x, not the primary slot 1(common) and slot 4'. And btw, if you bought two cards for $1000+ and $380 board to run dual 16x mode and do not fit due to wrong slots having to be used...we are sorry but oh well, you understand...right?' :-/

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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/18 12:21:01 (permalink)
"We're sorry about rev 1.0 but please spend another $380 on rev 1.1"
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/18 12:59:46 (permalink)
Exactly

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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/18 13:05:54 (permalink)
I hope that is not the case, but w it being a couple of weeks and them not addressing us w an update w what's going on, I fear they are hoping we go away.

I'm not going to sit here and say I will never buy an evga product again, but my conscious is definitely saying that, and with everything going on w precision, I am running out of straws w evga. They need to step up to the plate ASAP.

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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/18 13:19:11 (permalink)
I agree, there should be a tech or more keeping us up to date. Im sure they know what they did wrong etc by now. I have 10 more days left to send it back to Amazon for a full refund so if in 5 days no info or more it will go back and an A**s will be bought. Thats all ilI have used up til this and will go back being Ive never had an issue...never.

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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/19 02:31:42 (permalink)
I was about to buy this board, till I read this page, waiting for more info before I go ahead...
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/20 06:28:33 (permalink)
Hey everyone, sorry it took so long for an update. I confirmed that there was a misprint in the manual about Lane 1. For 16x/16x, lanes 2 and 4 are the proper lanes to run your cards in, and I was told an update to the manual is forthcoming. I'm very sorry for all the confusion.

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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/20 07:26:59 (permalink)
There we have it, a misprint in the manual, lol. How does a misprint like that happen....when the board is not doing what it is supposed to do and they can't..I mean won't fix it. How many boards out there not use the primary slot(slot 1) for dual SLI ? I have not seen any. Well this just sux for all who wanted to SLI and cannot cause their cards are too close.  My next question is can people get a refund now that we know it is impossible to run slot 1 and 3 in sli and some bought it for that reason, typo or not. It is that or get different cards that will fit. Either way it has some in a situation now. Oh well, I called it though, I knew it would be a misprint. 
 
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/20 08:13:08 (permalink)
I might be interested rchapman, it looks like your in the UK?
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/20 08:35:45 (permalink)
I am in the US. Atlanta, Georgia
My email is rchapman1976@ymail.com
Email me and we can discuss it. They are funny about stuff here, they will be telling me this is a marketplace thread blah blah.

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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/20 08:37:59 (permalink)
Lololololololol.....

So it took 3 weeks for that? You order a board in for testing, when someone around there could have easily said... No, that's a misprint, the board can't do that??

Thanks the help jaeson, I know you are just a messenger. There is a sad state of affairs over at evga lately... What's going on?

My video cards are unable to be put in slots 2&4 because of another un-disclosed design flaw with another one of y'all's products... The 560ti 448 core classifieds. So I bought this board specifically because the manual stated I could use slots 1&4. Only to be shafted again...

Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me twice......... You're not gunna fool me again... President George W Bush 😆

I'm not going to whine or request a refund... I have learned my lesson... But if EVGA are honorable business folk, they would be discussing some other means of compensation. Maybe evga bucks or something. I'll hold my breath.

I will get new video cards soon that will be able to run in slots 2&4. Or may be just get 1 card.... Some evga bucks might go a long way toward parting with my hard earned money to evga for that purchase. I will be looking at other options.... That is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur shhhhuuuurrrr!!!

It pains me to say that... Oh well...

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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/20 09:13:17 (permalink)
Can't seem to get an email through to you at the address you posted.
Could you check it's correct?
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/20 10:24:21 (permalink)
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/20 10:36:59 (permalink)
hello
 
test on my FTW97
gpu R280X 2x
test slot 1 and 2 8x 8x read in bios
 
test slot 1 and 3  16x 4x read in bios
 



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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/20 10:46:29 (permalink)
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hello
 
test on my FTW97
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test slot 1 and 2 8x 8x read in bios
 
test slot 1 and 3  16x 4x read in bios


Try slots 2&4. That's what is 16x/16x on the classified.

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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/20 11:52:48 (permalink)
tested all and ok with manual for FTW
 
pe1 16x  ( 8x if pe2 used)
pe2 8x   (4x if pe3 used )
pe3 4x
pe4 1x slot 1x mecanic
pe5 1x slot 16x mécanic
 
 

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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/20 14:35:03 (permalink)
Am having the same issue. Got it runing 1st & 4th slot read 1-8x/4-16x 3Gen, course when I move it to 2nd & 4th slot it read in the bios 2-16x/4-16x 3Gen, but to my understanig slot 1 runs of the CPU. I been following this thread for a while hoping they come with a solution on the bios, other wise I'll be requesting for a refund and move to and Asus or MSI. This is the main reason I boght this board to have crossfire at 16x/16x not 8x/16x.

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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/21 17:28:26 (permalink)
I ran Valley benchmark at 4k resolution in slot setups 1/4 and 2/4. The funny thing is that my score in slots-1/4 actually went up by "6" from slots-2/4. The scores were 1507 and 1501 respectively. I am running 2 eVGA 780ti Classifieds in SLI on a 4k monitor running at 3840x2160 with everything maxed and AA at 4x. That is what I game at in Titanfall, Battlefield 4 and Crysis-3. I can honestly say I can tell no difference and the benchmarks don't show any other than the margin of error that eVGA mentioned. I can pretty much guarantee I am maxing the cards as much as anyone can at the moment running at 4k and obviously they are not being bottlenecked at all from the x8 slot. If it really bothers you that it doesn't run at x16 then I guess send it back for a refund. All I can say is that is doesn't technically matter at all.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/26 11:00:28 (permalink)
Mine went back for a full refund with Amazon. What most of you here that are making comments about 16x/8x etc. do not get is us that are disappointed are cause not being able to use the correct slots (1/4) makes it very hard or impossible to run certain video cards in SLI cause they will be way to close or will touch. Plus, the fact we were told a board was being tested to see what was causing the lane reporting to be wrong and ' THREE WEEKS' later we are told it was a typo in the manual. Maybe three hours but not three weeks. Second, the sound was horribly unstable. I was either losing it completely or it buzzed and crackled causing a reboot to fix it. I had the latest bios and Sound Blaster drivers so there was nothing else to do. Finally, I would get random boot failure saying no memory installed causing me to do a clear cmos to get it to boot. And yes my memory was/is compatible. Just way to much going on for a $380 board. I bought a ASUS Z97 Deluxe and it has run flawlessly for a week. I have always used ASUS and decided to try an EVGA being I use their video cards and power supply, guess I learned a valuable lesson

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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/26 13:02:57 (permalink)
Yea it's disappointing that this board doesn't work as advertised. To start out saying there's a reporting problem in the bios, to ending up saying its a typo in the manual is... Disappointing. Especially because a major price premium we paid for this board was for the PLEX chip and extra lanes being available for SLI.

The biggest issue in using slots 2+4 on this full EATX sized board is cooling. I have 2 EVGA reference 780s and in slots 2+4 the top card in slot 2 is running way hotter than the lower card and it is downclocking at load to ~946Mhz while the top one happily boosts to ~1160ish because it is 10-15C cooler. So in benchmarks I notice a difference there.

it's not a deal breaker for me to run in 8x/16x but I just wish someone from EVGA would come on and admit there was a stuff up. Just be honest and admit there is a problem with their flagship premium product. Better yet, offer refunds or replacements to loyal customers who feel they've been deceived and let down.

"Return to Greatness"? Yea, right.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/26 13:20:13 (permalink)
Well said. I have actually never heard of a board having to not use the the primary slot as a slot in dual SLI. That is when I know something was jacked up. Now they may do a revision and fix it but to say the issue is a typo in the manual is really surprising to think they would actually believe us consumers would say "oh ok, no problem". It honestly makes me second think any of the products, regardless of them having a great video card. I have always used ASUS everywhere possible unless they didnt make a part, too bad they do not make psu's. When the 800 series video cards come out I will go back with an ASUS. I have a Supernova 1300w psu also, it has worked fine so far, they carry a nice warranty also.m

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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/27 02:53:47 (permalink)
Well, honestly to say that I've been being an evga fan for more than 5 years ( bought most of Gpu and mobo in every time new ones come out even  i'm not a geinus overclocker but still like the design, its functional...), but recently their products release always late behind others, plus issues more often, online tech supports not appear often like before...but the price tag is not cheap... I think it is time for me to take challenge with other brands :-(  !!!
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/27 05:02:13 (permalink)
I've been with and have had Excellent EVGA products since 2008 always using their First run Motherboards, Graphics cards and accessories, But changed to an ASUS RIV BE for my X79 Platform due to all the ORIGINAL problems shown in the Forums associated with the EVGA X79 Classified and Dark Motherboards.
Although I'll still be using my original four EVGA GTX 780Ti KPE's with an X99 System, First I'll probably wait and see a few reviews on who comes out with a product that will run out-of the-box with no serious drawbacks, But I'm really going to have a tough time trying to decide whether I will put my money on an EVGA X99 MB or go again with another Brand.
 
I can only wait and hope EVGA releases a Truly Great X99 Product.

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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/07/27 11:27:42 (permalink)
My take on it: False advertising about something which makes no difference currently.

I understand why you guys would be upset from a defect/false advertising perspective, but why make a big deal about it if the problem causes no performance issues?

I guess you should just turn your board in for a full refund if that is what you want to do. If the retailer you bought the board from won't give you a full refund or wants to charge you a restocking fee, I think you should turn the board into EVGA directly for a full refund on the terms of false advertising.

Otherwise, just ignore the problem which is really no problem in the end for most.

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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2014/08/04 20:50:28 (permalink)
Thanks, dude, but I think think we've covered all the bases already.
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