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2014/09/26 03:21:22 (permalink)
This is really disheartening...
 
These are one of the fastest cards in the market and yet due to the low amount of VRAM it already feels outdated.
 
We first had the VRAM issues with Watch Dogs and now The Evil Within and Shadows of Mordor will have the same problem.
 
The Evil Within devs recommend 4 Gigs of VRAM if you want to run the game with 1080P.
 
Shadows of Mordor devs recommend 6 (yes 6) Gigs of VRAM if you want to run the game with 1080P and Ultra settings.
 
http://www.gamepur.com/news/16366-middle-earth-shadow-mordor-pc-graphics-options-revealed-6-gb-vram-ultra.html
 
Paying so much money for two ti's and already having them outdated due to the VRAM is really rubbing me the wrong way. Why did Nvidia cheap out on the VRAM for these cards? It makes no sense. I see this problem getting worse and we will eventually be forced to turn down settings we otherwise would not need to turn down if Nvidia actually put a decent amount of VRAM into these cards.
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/26 06:49:48 (permalink)
    im in the same boat newegg has my card for around $500 and some change down from $730 a few months back. Really does feel like a kick in the throat. Blame nvidia for being like Microsoft and keeping features exclusive to one series. Hopefully evga will drop the price on the backplates for the 780ti and nvidia gives us some of the features from the 900 series like DSR. At least we are the lucky few who could afford these there are still people with 400 500 and 600 series just imagine how left behind they feel each time something new comes out.
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/26 07:01:12 (permalink)
    I feel you ...
     
    I find it hard to believe Mordor will need 6 gigs of Vram though , since their is only TITANs/ vanilla 780  that have that - & can't see WB  slicing down the sales of the game by doing that .....

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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/26 09:16:28 (permalink)
    6 Gigs? Wow good thing I have 2x Titan Black ...
     
    Edit: Techpowerup says 780 Ti OC is a bit faster than 980 OC so the VRAM is really the problem here...
     

     

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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/26 10:00:25 (permalink)
    Planning on playing Shadow of Mordor with my 2 GB GTX 680. Should be interesting to see how it affects performance it in real life.

    In the screenshot in the article, they're using a GTX 570 with 1280 MB. That's gotta put a damper on things.

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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/26 10:13:12 (permalink)
    Gotta have 2 cards now days people, especially for games likeWatchdogs, BF4, Metro LL and Crysis 3. I am glad I never thought twice about Sli, because I'm still smoking the fastest single gpu by Nvidia(980GTX) by +25 fps with my 2x 770 SC ACX!
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/26 10:26:07 (permalink)
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    Gotta have 2 cards now days people, especially for games likeWatchdogs, BF4, Metro LL and Crysis 3. I am glad I never thought twice about Sli, because I'm still smoking the fastest single gpu by Nvidia(980GTX) by +25 fps with my 2x 770 SC ACX!




    Still Doesn't solve VRAM problems. Can't imagine how a game would actully use 6 gigs. Anyone out there have real usage numbers?
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/26 10:59:02 (permalink)
    Something does not add up here ... if the game will require 6 gigs @ 1080p then what will it require at 1440 or 4k ?? 10 gigs ?   I don't get it

     
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/26 11:09:58 (permalink)
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    Something does not add up here ... if the game will require 6 gigs @ 1080p then what will it require at 1440 or 4k ?? 10 gigs ?   I don't get it


    Good point!  It doesn't add up because it's mostly just hype.
     
    I'll give you an example.  I used to play Crysis3 on a pair of 670FTW's with 2GB vram.  Playing at max settings using between 1600 and 1700Mb vram.  Now playing that same game with the same settings on my 780Ti 3Gb card, I'm using about 2Gb vram.  I've seen this same type of thing in Tomb Raider.
     
    The problem is that a lot of the games will allocate vram if it's available.  That doesn't mean it necessarily needs or actually uses it.  The more you have, the more that will show used by software monitoring tools like PrecX, AB, GPU-Z, etc...


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/26 12:23:06 (permalink)
    This usually means BAD ports. Look at Watchdogs. It runs like garbage on PCs. I will be purchasing Mordor on PS4. Im tired of supporting these ported over games on PC  :(

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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/26 15:09:11 (permalink)
    The requirements are probably just BS, we cant really tell until the game has launched. Watchdogs is just... lets not talk about it okay?
    It makes no sense that it would require 6GB at 1080p, imagine 4k, thats 3 times the resolution, so lets say 15 gigs. Might as well strap a ram stick onto your GPU LOL.
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/26 15:53:23 (permalink)
    I kinda agree the "blown" 780 ti's will still beat the available 980's. However, from a technological view, new purchase, economy of ownership; the 980 wins. I predict that in time all the 7890 ti owners will get there. I have, i know my 780 dual classified is superior, but will it be next year and beyond? I will make the switch when the 980 classified comes out October. 
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/26 15:55:56 (permalink)
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    I kinda agree the "blown" 780 ti's will still beat the available 980's. However, from a technological view, new purchase, economy of ownership; the 980 wins. I predict that in time all the 7890 ti owners will get there. I have, i know my 780 dual classified is superior, but will it be next year and beyond? I will make the switch when the 980 classified comes out October. 
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    Read this article, the 980 replaced the 780 NOT the 780Ti. IT IS NOT BETTER THAN THE 780TI! http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-replace-gtx-780-gtx-780-ti-custom-980s-8gb-vram/
    Don't waste money going from a 780ti to a 980, that's downgrading and you cant go back.
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/26 18:19:15 (permalink)
    I think the OP is blaming NVidia for something the software programmers are doing.  It would seems a bit ridiculous that 6GB of VRAM would be necessary for this game.  They may wish this or may want this, but that is not reality.  There are very few cards on the market today that meet that requirement.  The question is whether manufacturers see this and step up or if they realize they erred and change things with a patch.  I seriously doubt manufacturers will buckle to this requirement.  There would need to be a massive number of people to demand this, but the market for this game is not big enough to make that happen.  Time will tell.  It may also take a reduced price for DDR5 memory chips to make this more of a reality.  It is just odd that a game would limit its audience this way.  I guess few will play the game at the ULTRA setting.



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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/26 18:38:27 (permalink)
    Nvidia just needs to release the new features such as DSR, MFAA, and VXGI for the rest of the 700 series, i just bought my gtx 780 ti dual classy about a month ago and well i don't regret it, i'm waiting for the 980 ti to be released since the 780 ti was released a month after the 780. Once it is out ill be using the step up program to upgrade to it. How is it that a 550$ card out performs a 769$ card? That doesn't quite add up if you ask me. 

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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/27 14:49:57 (permalink)
    Read these specs posted in steam. I have no idea where you got 6GB from. 
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/27 15:07:34 (permalink)
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    I have no idea where you got 6GB from. 



    Click on the link the OP provided in his 1st post read the article and then click the screenshot from the in game menu ... That's where he got the 6 gigs from.  
     


     
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/27 15:15:45 (permalink)
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    I have no idea where you got 6GB from. 



    Click on the link the OP provided in his 1st post read the article and then click the screenshot from the in game menu ... That's where he got the 6 gigs from.  
     





    "As per the details in the image below, the game requires massive 6 GB of VRAM"
     
    Are you going to trust that or the recommended specifications in steam which state that the recommended GPU is the 660 (comes in 2gb and 3gb). NOT EVEN A 700 SERIES GPU.
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/27 15:20:06 (permalink)
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/27 23:14:37 (permalink)
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    I think the OP is blaming NVidia for something the software programmers are doing.  



    I am not expecting the 780ti to have shipped with 6 Gigs of RAM but don't you think it was incredibly silly to ship a $700 video card with only 3 Gigs of VRAM? Considering how much this thing cost only a couple months ago it should have had 4 Gigs.
     
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    "As per the details in the image below, the game requires massive 6 GB of VRAM"
     
    Are you going to trust that or the recommended specifications in steam which state that the recommended GPU is the 660 (comes in 2gb and 3gb). NOT EVEN A 700 SERIES GPU.
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    Did you miss the screenshot that was provided? That is an in-game screen of the PC version. In order to use Ultra textures you need 6 Gigs. 
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/28 02:18:06 (permalink)
    I DO HAVE 780 SC 6GB SLI. But if 6GB is required.......wow. I agree, that would be a bad marketing decision.
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/28 05:50:14 (permalink)
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    I am not expecting the 780ti to have shipped with 6 Gigs of RAM but don't you think it was incredibly silly to ship a $700 video card with only 3 Gigs of VRAM? Considering how much this thing cost only a couple months ago it should have had 4 Gigs.
     

    You made the decision to purchase the 780ti. Why didn't you purchase a different graphics card with more VRAM?

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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/28 06:02:27 (permalink)
    The 780ti is still a fantastic card and there is almost no game it can't run well. It's a fine investment.

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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/28 12:29:42 (permalink)
    I don't know where anyone is getting that you can't run a game maxed or nearly maxed on 2-3gb of vram. Watch Dogs was about as poor of an example as you can get, but with the latest patch I can now run maximum/Ultra textures with no stuttering. The other 2 games mentioned needing 4 or 6gb of vram? No legit proof its actually needed yet..........there have been many times a game is "leaked" before being released needing massive PC requirements till the game is actually released with much less demanding system requirements.
     
      All in all, no one is going to be able to tell a lick of difference in performance to the eye between a Titan Black, 780 ti or 980. They all basically perform the same in reality. THe 980 now being the cheapest and most energy efficient version.
     
    Also, as a side note, when I bench my GTX 980 on my system with Heaven(8xAA)at max settings I score 60-62fps. Now that's with a BASE CLOCK of 1126mhz...........but the card actually runs just north of 1200mhz on air with GPU boost.
     
      When I bench out a single 780ti on Heaven, again using max settings with 8xAA, I run at a constant 1137mhz on a pair of vanilla ti's with a EVGA SC vbios flash(I do NOT run precision or any type of OC utility, I only use GPU Boost 2.0)update. Memory remains stock. Voltage stock. At 1137mhz I score 65-66fps on Heaven. So 4-6fps(8-10% faster roughly) better than the 980 and with a running 75mhz clock DISadvantage on top of it to boot.
     
      So as stated before the 780ti/Titan Black clock for clock is still the fastest GPU Nvidia offers. They are both actually about 10% faster than the GTX 980 when clock frequencies run are identical.
     
    I run my 780ti's at 1137mhz(I still have a few hundred MHz headroom too being WC'd). To fully match that performance from my GTX 980 it has to run north of 1300mhz to keep up with a 780ti running at 1100mhz.
     
      
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/28 12:32:19 (permalink)
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    Nvidia just needs to release the new features such as DSR, MFAA, and VXGI for the rest of the 700 series, i just bought my gtx 780 ti dual classy about a month ago and well i don't regret it, i'm waiting for the 980 ti to be released since the 780 ti was released a month after the 780. Once it is out ill be using the step up program to upgrade to it. How is it that a 550$ card out performs a 769$ card? That doesn't quite add up if you ask me. 


    I doubt there is going to be a "TI" version of the 980, the GM204 chip is already fully enabled, unless Nvidia is just gonna released a "factory OC'd" unit?
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/28 14:33:01 (permalink)
    The other fact missed here is what about consoles.  If PC gamers are left out, then what console has 6GB of VRAM?  Not sure will ever be invented.  We might want to verify the source, even if it is in the literature of the game.  Could be a misprint or just wishful thinking by the manufacturer.  This would be a marketing debacle if it was.



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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/28 15:10:49 (permalink)
    We will resist until GM210 show up.
    Investment in 4GB now is not better than 3GB before one year or half year.
    But when 512bit graphic show up with 8gigs than we will jump in. 
    If you think now about some long term build you still need to pay Titan Black SLI. 
    Than we will be aligned with PS4 only in much better position and with stronger GPU power.
    Some patch will show up, NVIDIA will not stay only with Titan Black to support newer games with 4-5GB RAM.
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/28 16:12:46 (permalink)
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    Nvidia just needs to release the new features such as DSR, MFAA, and VXGI for the rest of the 700 series, i just bought my gtx 780 ti dual classy about a month ago and well i don't regret it, i'm waiting for the 980 ti to be released since the 780 ti was released a month after the 780. Once it is out ill be using the step up program to upgrade to it. How is it that a 550$ card out performs a 769$ card? That doesn't quite add up if you ask me. 


    I doubt there is going to be a "TI" version of the 980, the GM204 chip is already fully enabled, unless Nvidia is just gonna released a "factory OC'd" unit?




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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/28 17:40:53 (permalink)
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    im in the same boat newegg has my card for around $500 and some change down from $730 a few months back. Really does feel like a kick in the throat. Blame nvidia for being like Microsoft and keeping features exclusive to one series. Hopefully evga will drop the price on the backplates for the 780ti and nvidia gives us some of the features from the 900 series like DSR. At least we are the lucky few who could afford these there are still people with 400 500 and 600 series just imagine how left behind they feel each time something new comes out.


    I don't feel left behind. I still have two GTX 580s with water cooling and don't feel like I need anything more presently.
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    Re: 780ti already outdated? 2014/09/29 05:34:06 (permalink)
    Unfortunately that's just how things are..............price drops when new products come out to replace them are common and take place every year multiple times.
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