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4K, is it worth it?

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2015/08/01 10:52:34 (permalink)
Ok, with one Titan-X and using a new 27" Acer 270 (w/g sync) panel, it seems like an
ideal fit.
 
But..
 
This 4K itch is killing me. 
 
I could grab a 2nd Titan-X to SLI, but i'm concerned about micro-stutter. 
Is that still a big deal and a constant occurance?
 
(as i prefer the most stable image quality possible)
 
And if i go 4K, i'm still in the 30 day return period of this 1440p panel. I just need to
decide in a week or so.
 
Is the jump from 1440p to 4K worth all the hassles?
 
TIA
 
 
 
 
 
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    Re: 4K, is it worth it? 2015/08/01 10:58:35 (permalink)
    No. Micro-stutter is a thing in the past.

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    Re: 4K, is it worth it? 2015/08/01 11:02:13 (permalink)
    I am on a 3440x1440 monitor currently. I went into Best Buy to see their 4k demos and honestly while the picture did look clear...it wasn't exactly breath taking. And these were videos that were made specifically to show off the benefits of 4k.
     
    The performance hit from 4k also seems to be outside of our current technology. The price of a gaming monitor plus the cost of an additional card (in your case $1000 for a titan X) would take you to about 60 fps in 4k with High settings. But not even maxed out.
     
    From researching a bunch of articles, reviews, and forums, the general mindset is that affordable 4k gaming is still one - two generations of GPUS away. A lot of the current 4k users are saying that they should have skipped the 9000 series and jumped into 4k on the next go around. However, i've also read people with plenty of money swearing by 4k gaming iwth their triple SLI titan X setups. I would assume this is probably a "money is no issue" type situation. A few games will still have some micro stutter though. 
     
    Just my 2 cents, a single titan X and your 1440p monitor should hold up nicely with ultra settings for a few years...why not wait till the next series cards and see if you can carry 4k with a single card at that time and switch up? That's what i'm doing and I have two 980s right now...im in the step up for two 980tis and i will stick with those and this monitor until the next serires and then try out 4k. I have to have everything Ultra or i get sad. that's just me though.
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    Re: 4K, is it worth it? 2015/08/01 11:56:36 (permalink)
    I'm running a 4K monitor now but if given the choice again I would have preferred a 2K top of the line monitor.

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    Re: 4K, is it worth it? 2015/08/01 12:13:47 (permalink)
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    No. Micro-stutter is a thing in the past.




    Are you sure? As this video shows exactly what it is:
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOtre2f4qZs
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    Re: 4K, is it worth it? 2015/08/01 12:26:21 (permalink)
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    I'm running a 4K monitor now but if given the choice again I would have preferred a 2K top of the line monitor.




    Why so? [just asking as the best opinions are from those owning both]
     
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    Re: 4K, is it worth it? 2015/08/01 12:44:04 (permalink)
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    I am on a 3440x1440 monitor currently. I went into Best Buy to see their 4k demos and honestly while the picture did look clear...it wasn't exactly breath taking. And these were videos that were made specifically to show off the benefits of 4k.
     
    The performance hit from 4k also seems to be outside of our current technology. The price of a gaming monitor plus the cost of an additional card (in your case $1000 for a titan X) would take you to about 60 fps in 4k with High settings. But not even maxed out.
     
    From researching a bunch of articles, reviews, and forums, the general mindset is that affordable 4k gaming is still one - two generations of GPUS away. A lot of the current 4k users are saying that they should have skipped the 9000 series and jumped into 4k on the next go around. However, i've also read people with plenty of money swearing by 4k gaming iwth their triple SLI titan X setups. I would assume this is probably a "money is no issue" type situation. A few games will still have some micro stutter though. 
     
    Just my 2 cents, a single titan X and your 1440p monitor should hold up nicely with ultra settings for a few years...why not wait till the next series cards and see if you can carry 4k with a single card at that time and switch up? That's what i'm doing and I have two 980s right now...im in the step up for two 980tis and i will stick with those and this monitor until the next serires and then try out 4k. I have to have everything Ultra or i get sad. that's just me though.




    Great reply, thanks.
     
     I'm not one to burn 1K without it being a need. But i got $800 in Dell rewards i need to use by mid Aug. so the 
    Titan-X would only cost me $280 or so. And since i don't need a new SSD or anything from Dell, it's eithier
    the Titan-X or say a 1TB SSD.[and something else]
     
     And with the Asus 4K IPS(w/G sync) arriving sometime this summer/fall, i'd be set for a bunch of years.
     
     It kinda feels like 1440p is what 720p was when 1080p was first available in tv's, as in a in-between step
    to 4K.
     
     However, i do appreciate the 144HZ on this panel, as to hit 100+fps feels smoother then 60. 
     
     With G-Sync, i won't need to have sli'ed Titan's to hit 60 all the time. So 45+ would be ok.
     
     The trouble is in some AAA games(ie..GTA:V) the performance increase is as low as 40%.
     
     Plus i don't wish to have more heat build up in my case..as it's not the best for ventilation. Add
    in more noise..which would make it worse(even with headphones on).
     
     But 4K is such a tease....lol.
     
     Also i got lucky in my Acer panel has no dead pixels, so that add's another reason to just stand pat
    for 1-2 more years.
     
     The only thing that keeps me thinking of going 4K is how big a jump 1080p-->1440p was, and that
    was not even double the pixel count.[it is 1.78X to be exact].
     
     And i'm like you, in that, i max out every setting possible[except FSAA if it's too big a hit], and would
    easily prefer 1440p ultra over 4K on high-very high.Thanks again for your input..i appreciate it!
     
     
     
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    Re: 4K, is it worth it? 2015/08/01 14:25:54 (permalink)
    I'm gaming 1440p/144/gsync today with a single ti, you can do 4k@30fps with a single ti and need 2 ti for 4k@45-60 plus the monitor?

    Imo I would not trade 1440p/144hz vs 4k/30-45 until they make 4k/144/gsync and ips (no TN crap) but a card that can single handle that is 4-5 years away.

    To me the road map I hope to see with high settings at least (single card only ) :

    Today 1440p/144 or 4k/30
    2016: Pascal - 4k/60
    2017: 4k/60-90
    2018: 4k/60-120
    2019: 4k/60-144

    Again this is just what I hope a single card can do , if you sli is a different story but after seeing 144 and gsync I decided to skip the 4k/30-45 until I can get 4k/60+ and gsync.
    post edited by vegnar - 2015/08/01 14:34:02
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    Re: 4K, is it worth it? 2015/08/01 15:11:05 (permalink)
    I'd rather have a 1080/1440 @144hz than a 4k. I've seen the Best Buy demo booths where they have a 1080p TV set up next to an Ultra HD one, and while there is a discernible difference, it's nothing mind boggling.
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    Re: 4K, is it worth it? 2015/08/01 16:16:32 (permalink)
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    I'm gaming 1440p/144/gsync today with a single ti, you can do 4k@30fps with a single ti and need 2 ti for 4k@45-60 plus the monitor?

    Imo I would not trade 1440p/144hz vs 4k/30-45 until they make 4k/144/gsync and ips (no TN crap) but a card that can single handle that is 4-5 years away.

    To me the road map I hope to see with high settings at least (single card only ) :

    Today 1440p/144 or 4k/30
    2016: Pascal - 4k/60
    2017: 4k/60-90
    2018: 4k/60-120
    2019: 4k/60-144

    Again this is just what I hope a single card can do , if you sli is a different story but after seeing 144 and gsync I decided to skip the 4k/30-45 until I can get 4k/60+ and gsync.

     
    Great reply, thanks.
     
    Yeah, i'm leaning this way after reading the below article:
    http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/05/04/grand_theft_auto_v_multigpu_performance_review_part_2/3#.Vb1QzPlVj_k
     
    Basically a 2 way SLI Titan-X's is averaging only 49.6fps and that without setting grass to ultra. As if so, i'm thinking that avg would drop a few fps's. And while G-Sync helps alot, for me once the frame rate dips to the high 40's i notice an annoying pixel lagging. And i don't wish to be 
    playing in those frame rates on a regular basis. 
     
    The below page says it all as the scaling is only up to 40%.
     
     http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/05/04/grand_theft_auto_v_multigpu_performance_review_part_2/6#.Vb1QO_lVj_k
     
    And i firmly agree, we are looking at some 2+ years away where the single highest end GPU can handle 4K/50-60+. Add to that
    the top tier of game engines will be pushing higher rendering, such as the difference from Far Cry 3 to Far Cry 4.
     
    Right now, unless it's an older engine such as with BF4,  4K/35-40 is is about the average for one Titan-X/980 TI, and i doubt 
    we will see a 50% jump up in the 2016 gpu lineup.
     
    One question: In all iv'e been reading(and it's also) is that g-sync really shows itself in the 45-50+ fps range, to give the illusion
    of 60fps gameplay.  So why are you waiting for 4K/60+ and g sync?
     
    Thanks again for the reply.
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    Re: 4K, is it worth it? 2015/08/01 16:26:19 (permalink)
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    I'd rather have a 1080/1440 @144hz than a 4k. I've seen the Best Buy demo booths where they have a 1080p TV set up next to an Ultra HD one, and while there is a discernible difference, it's nothing mind boggling.




     That's a good point in checking out a local BB to see a huge difference. Also, while 4K still teases me, to go with a 4K/60hz panel(or
    UHD tv for that matter) would be annoying to works with windows, as i'm so used to 144hz now, i'm not sure i can go back to 60hz.
    (i must test that later)
     
     Thanks for the reply.
     
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    Re: 4K, is it worth it? 2015/08/01 16:38:20 (permalink)
    Just an FYI, there are 4K monitors now that are HDMI 2.0 compliant which allows for 4K/60Hz, one of which is my current monitor, the Samsung U28E590D.  I originally moved on with the 4K revolution via 2x Titan Black Superclocked Signature Editions but have recently upgraded to a Titan X Hybrid, but soon to be SLI.  After experiencing the crisp, pixel density of 4K, I would not turn back.  However, high-end 4K performance is not targeted toward the budget-conscious enthusiast.

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    Re: 4K, is it worth it? 2015/08/01 17:02:08 (permalink)
    I think if there were g sync ips 100hz or 144hz with Gsync at 4K, it would be worth it to sli titanx or 980 ti's but I don't think that's gonna happen for awhile.  When they do come out, I will go ahead and sli my 980 ti but till then, I don't know what to do.  
     
    I don't think pascal is going to be super huge difference at 4k but you never know but the high end cards wont be out for quite awhile so that leaves us with volta.  Volta should handle 4k easily I would think and start to push into 5K with sli, similar to where we are at now with 4K and single and sli cards.  
     
    I'm trying to figure out my monitor situation too, and don't quite know what to do either.  

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    Re: 4K, is it worth it? 2015/08/01 17:37:28 (permalink)
    honestly I'm not about to spend all that on 4k. I went to 2560x1440 last week. I'll upgrade in a few years




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    Re: 4K, is it worth it? 2015/08/01 18:51:34 (permalink)
    I really meant to say I'm going to wait until 4k/120-144, it will happen eventually, but I want gsync because the newer games at that time will not be running at 144, kind of like today situation BF4 I'm at 138-144 on ultra and many other games I'm at 120+, Witcher 3 no way so that's where gsync will come into play .


    So say battlefield 6 In 4 years is at 4k-120+ ,I'm sure whatever new game Witcher 4/5 comes out and kicks your gpu's butt it might be a 45-55 game gsync would help there.
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