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Re:27" 1920x1080 120hz or 27" 2560x1440 60hz 2012/07/22 19:41:28 (permalink)
ah i see, very well explained, thank you. I'm thinking the Asus as well, asthetics aside it may look a bit weird having two different looking monitors side by side, in the video the guy did express how he thinks the samsung had a better picture/image quality over the asus, not sure if that's due to glossy/matte screen though...but you did make a good point in your above post.
 
I have used 3d vision 2 on my brother's laptop and found it very cool and the quality was impressive. i just hope i've passed that mark where a lot of people were receiving monitors with lots of backlight bleeding happening...


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Re:27" 1920x1080 120hz or 27" 2560x1440 60hz 2012/07/22 19:57:42 (permalink)
sry for the double post,
 
I just sat down with my brother's laptop and played around with 3d vision 2, man it looks good even on games that don't support 3d vision 2.
 
but, here's my new dilemma i guess...i've read plenty that some people say they prefer the passive 3d experience over 3d vision 2 and vice versa. but right now the choice between these two monitors are clear to me,
do i want a better 3d experience which is the ASUS, or do i want a better image/picture quality which is the Samsung. and to be brutally honest, I now for a fact i won't be using 3d more than i will be using 2d mode. and it'd kind of be nice to have two of the same looking monitors side by side, the only sucky thing is that the one i have currently is matte finish and this new samsung is glossy finish, not sure how that will affect me lol.


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Re:27" 1920x1080 120hz or 27" 2560x1440 60hz 2012/07/22 20:02:42 (permalink)
Whatever you choose, make sure you pick a LED 3d display.  The LED backlit display is much better on your eyes than a LCD display.
 
I know that the Samsung works well with the 2d-3d conversion on the fly. 
 
Another thing - the Samsung is very glossy...  If you have a room with lots of light, you will get reflections almost as bad as a plasma
The Asus does have a matte finish, which doesnt have lots of bad reflection
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Re:27" 1920x1080 120hz or 27" 2560x1440 60hz 2012/07/22 20:27:11 (permalink)
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sry for the double post,

I just sat down with my brother's laptop and played around with 3d vision 2, man it looks good even on games that don't support 3d vision 2.

but, here's my new dilemma i guess...i've read plenty that some people say they prefer the passive 3d experience over 3d vision 2 and vice versa. but right now the choice between these two monitors are clear to me,
do i want a better 3d experience which is the ASUS, or do i want a better image/picture quality which is the Samsung. and to be brutally honest, I now for a fact i won't be using 3d more than i will be using 2d mode. and it'd kind of be nice to have two of the same looking monitors side by side, the only sucky thing is that the one i have currently is matte finish and this new samsung is glossy finish, not sure how that will affect me lol.

 
Sorry to bring it back up but if you're saying that you won't be using the 3D much then the 27" IPS monitors will completely destroy both of those monitors. I currently own a 2B Catleap, also have a nice Asus VH24H and had an Asus VE258Q all three st the same time and to tell you the truth while the VE258Q is supposed to be the nicer monitor  the VH24h looked sharper and had better colours. The edge lit LED on the 25" and most PC LED's arent that great, and can even wash out colours as I experienced on mine.  I've seen 27" 1080p monitors and they look terrible, remind me of 50" rear projection 720p sets and would under no circumstances buy one . 
 
I say either go down to 24/25 1080 120Hz set or go to the 27" 2560x1440 monitor anything in between seems like a bad deal.

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Re:27" 1920x1080 120hz or 27" 2560x1440 60hz 2012/07/22 20:58:52 (permalink)
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Whatever you choose, make sure you pick a LED 3d display.  The LED backlit display is much better on your eyes than a LCD display.

I know that the Samsung works well with the 2d-3d conversion on the fly. 

Another thing - the Samsung is very glossy...  If you have a room with lots of light, you will get reflections almost as bad as a plasma
The Asus does have a matte finish, which doesnt have lots of bad reflection

Just incase you were not aware, LED is just the backlight, the screens themselves are still LCD and not OLED.
So they are going to be the same on your eyes, LED just provides a brighter light and less energy consumption.

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Re:27" 1920x1080 120hz or 27" 2560x1440 60hz 2012/07/22 21:05:50 (permalink)
has anyone here tested or tried side by side active shutter vs passive?
 
I'm bending towards the samsung monitor for some personal reasons, and as said i think i'll be doing more 2d stuff over 3d, but would still like the option of going 3d. i'd just like to know if there's a big difference between the two types of 3d, and which would some of you recommend?
also does passive 3d just do game's in 3d like the 3d vision 2 does when it's "not" 3d vision supported on games?


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Re:27" 1920x1080 120hz or 27" 2560x1440 60hz 2012/07/22 23:05:45 (permalink)
Passive 3D is half resolution, whereas Active 3D is full HD (1920x1080)

Active shutter is much better as well.

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Re:27" 1920x1080 120hz or 27" 2560x1440 60hz 2012/07/22 23:22:23 (permalink)
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Passive 3D is half resolution, whereas Active 3D is full HD (1920x1080)

Active shutter is much better as well.

ok thank you for clarifying :)


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Re:27" 1920x1080 120hz or 27" 2560x1440 60hz 2012/07/23 01:37:47 (permalink)
120hz looks like crap IMO
I'd go with the 60hz unless you want 3d
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Re:27" 1920x1080 120hz or 27" 2560x1440 60hz 2012/07/23 04:05:44 (permalink)
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120hz TV and Movies look like crap IMO
I'd go with the 60hz unless you want 3d

 
Fixed, and I 100% completely agree but for gaming it's a completely different subject. I immediately saw a diff on stuff like Portals, TF2, L4Ds and anything I could actually run at 100+ frames (SLI 1GB 460's have their limits :p).  When I go to friends houses and use regular 60hz monitors  the game seems like it's running some kind strange filter that makes it slow and choppy while not actually running poorly or anything.  It kinda reminds me of the effect of when we as PC folks see consoles games locked at 30 FPS and see the choppyness but not that bad. That's the effect some games give me now that I'm used to 100Hz, hopefully a GTX 770/780 will be able to run games at this res well enough to not need SLI for 120+ FPS so I can finally make full use of my monitor.
 
 
But again, I say either go med size 24/25" @ 1920x1080 120Hz 3D or go IPS @ 2560 x1440 @ 60Hz. The pixel pitch just isn't the greatest at 27" @1080 and while you're used to it there's no reason to compromise and get something that while big just won't look as good as either something smaller, smoother, and better picture or something the same size with vastly superior colors and EVEN better picture .
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Re:27" 1920x1080 120hz or 27" 2560x1440 60hz 2012/07/23 10:03:31 (permalink)
Thanks for the in-depth reply. I agree on the 27" @1080 looking a tad weird considering i used to use 24" @ 1920x1200. But to me its not a huge deal and it'd be really odd having my primary a 24" and my secondary 27". But thats just me lol. Im sure by next year there will be 1440p at true 120hz on 27" ips screens, but then again graphical power goes hand in hand with that and could end up costing a lot!


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Re:27" 1920x1080 120hz or 27" 2560x1440 60hz 2012/07/23 12:56:00 (permalink)
Unfortunately 120HZ and IPS might not be married official for another few years, the market is just so small and the development to make sure everything works fine and dandy would cost a bit of money because of the way things are made now.  I see no reason for a company to produce these things in large numbers, the risk reward just isn't there. You have to remember markup is such a big thing and gamers are frugal, while we're ok spending a premium on a 3D 24/25" monitor for 400 bucks at the same time the same monitor minus 120hz would probably be half the price. When we take into account that IPS are actually geared towards professionals and not us we see that most of these nicer high res screens are still $800-1200+ add in 120Hz mark up we're talking about 1.5k at least for the first few generations on 1440/1600 screens and I'm being hopeful with only saying $1.5k.  
 
With 4k being released soon hopefully it pushes prices on smaller lower res monitors some but even then it's pretty bleak. Then add in the fact that these korean IPS are A- and not A+ panels like ASUS/Apple/Dell then I don't think we'll see affordable big name brand high res screens under $700 any time with in the next couple of years.  Now I'm making quite a few assumptions obviously, but I think most of what I say is pretty realistic and should be pretty obvious to most consumers.  I don't want people to think we'll see monitors like these from the big boys anytime soon at these prices unless THEY start to use A- panels.  And even then something tells me they won't be as forgiving as Wintech has been with these Catleaps :p  I mean You can get a 27" high res screen for $320 shipped from BCC at this point or different models that have already fallen under the 300 mark! So it's a good time test the waters.
 
 
Again I have one and don't want you to purchase one just because of that, I have other monitors and still use an old CRT with a VGA adapter for my DC everyone once in awhile, but just saying that the smaller 23/24 120Hz are almost half the price as the 27" and the image will look sharper on it just because of the pixel pitch. If you're planning to come down to Los Angeles anytime soon you could come over and see my 100HZ Catleap in action and see how marvelous Anime and films look on it :p
 
 
Good luck with your decision though, at the end of the day if you're happy with your purchase then that's all that matters.  Again people look at me funny when I had a 42" 1080 Vizion,   27" Catleap 1440, and both 24 and 25 " Asus's  but I'm gaming on a 19" CRT rolling around at the speed of sound having places to go and  following my rainbow.

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Re:27" 1920x1080 120hz or 27" 2560x1440 60hz 2012/07/23 12:57:33 (permalink)
I always laugh in these 120 hz threads when people claim that 120 hz does nothing. I guess these people are the kids that did not game when CRTs were dominant and apparently dont know the difference between 100 hz + and 60. Back then everyone had 85 hz, 100 hz or more as most CRTs ran at that automatically and everything was super smooth. DooM, Quake... it all looked great.
 
Now load these games on a 60 hz screen and tell me that is not pure garbage. Why would anyone ever tell someone to buy a 60 hz screen when there are now LCDs that can FINALLY mimic a CRT properly? It boggles the mind......

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Re:27" 1920x1080 120hz or 27" 2560x1440 60hz 2012/07/23 13:06:17 (permalink)
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I always laugh in these 120 hz threads when people claim that 120 hz does nothing. I guess these people are the kids that did not game when CRTs were dominant and apparently dont know the difference between 100 hz + and 60. Back then everyone had 85 hz, 100 hz or more as most CRTs ran at that automatically and everything was super smooth. DooM, Quake... it all looked great.

Now load these games on a 60 hz screen and tell me that is not pure garbage. Why would anyone ever tell someone to buy a 60 hz screen when there are now LCDs that can FINALLY mimic a CRT properly? It boggles the mind......

 
While I agree with your sentiment, you have to realize people actually sometimes can't perceive the difference. Think of it kinda like how even though you can CLEARLY see the diff between SD TV and HDTV yet you'll have people (one of my good friends) how says they can't see the difference. Others are screwed because they got used to +85Hz then during the LCD move their eyes would fatigue and strain when using LCD's with the slower refresh rate.
 
People are just different, I've seen 3D Vision and while it looks pretty awesome the screen real estate and better overall quality on the Catleaps made me go this route, but some might use 3D enough to warrant the purchase or game a lot more so they need the smoother experience of a 120Hz 23/24" . I got lucky and was in the first batch of the 12Hz.net batch so my monitor was only $460 USD but I would pay that again in a heart beat but now that they have been markep even further @ $555ish it might be harder to swallow but hey 100hz is 100hz and my sister finally can play Portal 1/2 on my PC without her head hurting from the refresh rate :D

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