Dukman

kram36

Dukman
It's not about how fast they shift.  It's about the fact that an 8, 9 or 10 speed transmission is going to constantly shift.  The gears are going to be way too close to each other to be practical.  I hear it every time I go down the freeway, any throttle tip in and the vehicle changes the gear. 

A dual clutch is all fine and good (if you like boring) as long as there are a reasonable amount of gears involved.  A 6 speed is really the most that a gasoline powered car ever really needs.  7 is doable but overkill.  

Then you don't care about performance. Plus it gets rid of the gas guzzler tax.

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How is not wanting 10 gears or an automatic not caring about performance?   

Anyway, it seems like Im the odd one out when it comes to these multiple gear automatics.  Everyone else is excited about it.  Okay.  I'll stay over here with my antiquated 3 pedals and 5 gears.  

The new close ratio X gear automatics, allow your third member to be geared for acceleration and still cruise at 80 MPH under 2500 rpm
 
They want to keep the engine in the power-band; but, that's kind of funny as the supercharger should give it a mile wide power-band.
 
Are the automatics race proven and tough and will they holdup to the torque - don't know 
 
But if you run 4:10 in your third member; you'd want another gear for highway cruising  ? 
 
I have no idea what the gear ratio of the third member is in this 2017 toy.

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The new close ratio X gear automatics, allow your third member to be geared for acceleration and still cruise at 80 MPH under 2500 rpm
 
They want to keep the engine in the power-band; but, that's kind of funny as the supercharger should give it a mile wide power-band.
 
Are the automatics race proven and tough and will they holdup to the torque - don't know 
 
But if you run 4:11 in your third member; you'd want another gear for highway cruising  ? 
 
I have no idea what the gear ratio of the third member is in this 2017 toy.

 
I can do that now with my 5 speed and 4.10 gears.     2500rpm is actually kind of high.  Which is why I am looking for a 6 speed out of a GT500.  A taller overdrive while in 6th allowing for freeway cruising at sub 2000 rpm's.  But I dont need 4 extra gears to keep me in the power band.  A proper 3rd and 4th gear spacing will do that easily.    
 
But I concede.  I don't like them and see that many gears in a light duty vehicle as superfluous. Everybody else does like them..  We'll wait and see how they feel about it after owning it for awhile.   
 
I would imagine the ZL1 probably ships with something like 3.31's in it.  Both to make it more driver friendly and to hedge that gas guzzler thing.  

You can get a Roush Package on a Mustang and make 670bhp and 545 tq for $39,000
http://www.jmfroushperformance.com/
 
 

Shockjockey
Its hard to believe the prices of new cars these days. When I was a kid you could get a very nice ride for under 10,000 dollars. When I was a kid cars had points, no fuel injection and no catalytic converter and gas was 50 cents a gallon. LOL

+1   Your OLD
 
We would put Shell super in the mower for about 50 cents a gallon
 
Even then, the fast cars cost about 1 years salary for a white-collar worker --- so it really has not changed that much.  Just decades of inflation.
 
Though in the last 10 years cars have outpaced inflation by a lot.

Nozler
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stalinx20
 
 

 


You have to really want it though. $62K is still a lot of money to put down just to enjoy the performance. If they're wanting to, however, go for it!
 
Don't get me wrong on any of this, I'll choose GM over Ford any day.

You priced the Shelby GT 350 / GT350R  Mustang with All of the goodies ?  $54K GT350 & $62K GT350R Base price + shipping
 
Ford Shelby GT 350 & 350R
 
http://www.ford.com/cars/...ls/?models=shelbygt350|shelbygt350r
 

Man. I don't know crap about cars. Lol. It was a joke when I said Ford was to AMD as GM was to Intel. But the phrase still fits. Lmao.

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stalinx20

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stalinx20
 
 

 


You have to really want it though. $62K is still a lot of money to put down just to enjoy the performance. If they're wanting to, however, go for it!
 
Don't get me wrong on any of this, I'll choose GM over Ford any day.

You priced the Shelby GT 350 / GT350R  Mustang with All of the goodies ?  $54K GT350 & $62K GT350R Base price + shipping
 
Ford Shelby GT 350 & 350R
 
http://www.ford.com/cars/...ls/?models=shelbygt350|shelbygt350r
 

Man. I don't know crap about cars. Lol. It was a joke when I said Ford was to AMD as GM was to Intel. But the phrase still fits. Lmao.

I know you were; but, I was surprised how close in price they were.  You made me look - so I posted

Actually you got me too on that. I figured that Ford would have been cheaper, I too was very surprised.

That's pretty sweet.
 
I'd rather have the Hellcat though.

Wow, didn't mean to scare all the ladies with this video of the monster Camaro ZL1.

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Nozler
Ok @ this point after not reading the whole thread I should just introduce you to Sweet. Please keep your ur slobber to a minimum :) Until you hear the four barrels open up you have no idea. https://www.facebook.com/...amp;type=3&theater

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Dang its my Old Vette probably should have just used photo bucket or something
 

Man I love competition. Been following this story on a few other sites. The only downside to this car is the veeeeeeeeeery long on the tooth body style.
 
We truly live in the best ever time to own a car people! The 60's & 70'S have officially lost their title.
 
Just wait and see how Dodge responds and the all new Mustang in 2020... Leapfrogging at its best!

Someday Chevrolet will build a performance car that's pretty.

bah, american garbage made by rednecks on the auto unions.
 
is it still full of cheap chinese plastics on the interior?
 
it is a performance bargain, i truly don't think anything touches the vette, camaro, charger/challenger and mustangs when it comes to horsepower for your buck.
 
but boy do they lack on fit and finish and interior/exterior design.
 
had a cadillac cts fully loaded as a rental while my car was on the shop. Cadillac has really stepped it up both inside and out and the base 306hp V6 had plenty of power. i was impressed at how much cadillac has improved over the years.
 
but mustangs, camaros and even vettes all feel so cheaply made. i'd take a 70s nova or chevelle over any of these full of cheap plastic cars.
 
it may have 650hp, but it's still a chevy. hell i can make a honda civic beat that camaro on a 1/4 mile for far less, but at the end of the day it's still a civic.
 
so for $60k, my money would be on a C43 AMG fully loaded, or C63 base with some miles (starts at $70k), Audi S5, M3, M4 with some miles, Lexus RC-F, Is-F. They all provide adequate performance, but offer so much better ride confort, refinements, technology.
Solely for looks, i'd do jaguar F-type.
 
My 02 cents

panzlock
 
Cadillac is the only credible luxury car manufacturer in the US. Everything else is a flimsy pile of excrement. Some have a lot of power and can go fast, sure. But they are ugly as sin. The Camaro is no exception. Many alternatives have all of the above.

Whoa now. I feel like Dodge nailed it with the challenger as far as the retro muscle car look goes.

"Looks at the car sales for the last two years and giggles"