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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/04 17:01:27 (permalink)
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I'm still wondering if Mad is that guy on the insurance commercial.


If not it wouldn't surprise me if he is the one writing those commercials lol.

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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/04 19:27:51 (permalink)
mayhem is right
New 7661 Beta units that are driving my PPD down...
now a server assignment issue - rig 2 can't get a WU -assignment server down
 
I'll be lucky to get close to my project PPD
 

 
   


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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/04 19:57:52 (permalink)
3/4/13
  • Due to the unpredictable nature of folding, I am considering 2 options that would allow folders to receive full credit for their additional production and would appreciate any relevant feedback
  1. Allow captains to redistribute the reported points among their team members to compensate for those that are under-producing to those that are over-producing.  This would decrease the amount of partial credit received on the team, without altering its total reported PPD.  This would allow the captains to optimize their folding line ups.  It would occur one time during the preliminary round and perhaps (or perhaps not) one additional time before the playoffs. 
  2. Allowing captains to distribute an additional amount of reported PPD (100,000 for instance) among their team.  This would allow those that are capable of producing more to get addition contest points for their production and result in an increase in reported PPD for each team.  It would occur one time during the preliminary round and perhaps (or perhaps not) one additional time before the playoffs.


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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/04 20:35:45 (permalink)
Those both seem like good ideas, I'm in favor of the second idea, as the first might encourage those that are currently under-producing to keep doing that if their reported PPD was dropped, and moved to an over-producing member.




 
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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/04 20:53:46 (permalink)
Im more likely to go for #1
as  I doubt anyone on my team can produce more than what they are currently producing
 
redistribution would almost alleviate all of our under production
bowlinra is 50k below on avg
my overproduction if I have any will fill up most of that - that's if I can catch 762x units (I can get up to 220k if I get nothing but them) -that's 60k over my production (and using my spare rig - no gaming)
 
that leaves the rest of my team - which would be 18k under production
 
because a few over estimated by the looks of it
starsmine - est 50k producing 11k
jlee2448 est 35k producing 7k
 
It's doubtful my team  can use the extra 100k because I don't think anyone else has extra production
 
anyways I'll confer with team
 

 
   


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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/04 21:07:18 (permalink)

post edited by TheWolf - 2013/03/04 22:05:06

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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/04 21:24:58 (permalink)
I will go with what ever my captain thinks is best.I just do not want to see this year turn out like last with all the QQing.There is all ways going to be some that get under there PPD estimate & some that under estimate.There is no way to get it right on with the wild swings in points on WU's.




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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/04 21:35:34 (permalink)

post edited by TheWolf - 2013/03/04 22:05:28

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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/04 21:53:33 (permalink)
I have be honest I like the original rules. I'm producing more that predicted but that was part of game. The rules were in place for a reason, I know the more points the better for the project but I liked the way it was. My 2 cents.

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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/04 21:56:42 (permalink)
Im with tank I don't mind rough justice after last year
 

 
   


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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/04 22:07:13 (permalink)
Have fun and good luck everyone.

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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/04 22:34:34 (permalink)
I think we should be allowed to redistribute the points especially for those on a team that are not folding at all. I know on my team our third highest estimate is not currently folding. He estimated 110K PPD. All the members of my team have been trying to cover for that, but it would be a good way to help even out if teams have similar problems.


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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/04 22:37:10 (permalink)
I'm doing what I can.  I could easily fire up the 580's and try to make them fold, but at this point, it's not worth it.  I'm already over my estimate, so I'll keep trucking along with SMP + GTS 250.  No point to firing up extra hardware that won't help the team, especially given the volatile nature of hardware here.


 
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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/04 22:43:31 (permalink)
Well. I don't mind overproducing but I didn't expect to go that high after the client update. Still there is a slight problem. If I stop the FAHControl to be able to surf or watch a video the computer freezes and I have to do a reboot. It happens on both W7 installations (one on HDD and one on SSD).
Anyone experienced the same problems?

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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/05 04:24:04 (permalink)
I haven't seen that behavior before. Have you tried just pausing the units and then starting them up again after you're done without actually shutting down FAHControl?
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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/05 05:19:39 (permalink)
I'm not sure what the results of the suggested change would look like, but feel that I'm in the camp that says "don't tinker with the contest as it is".  I'm concerned that any redistribution of points might cause a ripple within a team or between teams.  I say might because I really can't predict how people would react to any change that may affect their standings (personal or team ).  I wasn't in this contest last year, but just remember that it got ugly.  Let's just not do anything that might resurrect that problem for this years contest and I do worry about contest changes after it has begun.  That said, I realize what Troy is trying to do and that is trying to improve the contest given the uncertainty of Folding.  I guess it all depends upon how flexible we can all be with implementing change while we are underway in a contest.
 
I also have no ego with respect to what might happen to my contest points if we enacted either of the suggested changes.  I'm gonna Fold full-out (or as much as I'm able) regardless of the dynamics of a contest.  I'm here for my "team" and wouldn't care if some of my points were redistributed to help out the team.  So, if everyone chooses to adopt one of the suggested changes, I will be OK with that too.  My only concern was that we don't do anything that might cause harm to the contest or more importantly, to Folding.  Frankly, no matter who wins, these contests give me something else to follow other than standard Folding production and helps maintain interest in Folding.  With the sheer length (years) of donor work like Folding, anything that can add fun/interest along the way is very much appreciated.



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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/05 05:27:30 (permalink)
tank1023

I have be honest I like the original rules. I'm producing more that predicted but that was part of game. The rules were in place for a reason, I know the more points the better for the project but I liked the way it was. My 2 cents.

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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/05 05:34:42 (permalink)
*points to Tex's post above #316*
Too late for my team perhaps, My post in Insaniacs thread
http://forums.evga.com/fb.ashx?m=1878475
 
I've been away from my computer sick and came on to check over things, lucky I did, hopefully I've gotten to and convinced the team member to stay. I seem to be missing my fellow Captain in all this, I'm off sick and the team seems to fall apart. Go figure , I must be a jinx for the same thing to seemingly be happening all over again.

post edited by Shykal - 2013/03/05 05:40:26

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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/05 05:53:34 (permalink)
I'm not against an adjustment if it benefits everyone on our team.(EVGA not Prophet's). But I think it's too early to decide, barely 5 days in to a 31 day contest. Give it at least 10 days and then there's still time to adjust before the end of the first round.
I know on our team we've had hardware and life problems affecting our average but it should take care of itself over time. Kind of like a race car that has to pit early but can make it up when everyone else has to pit.



                                    
        

 
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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/05 06:05:52 (permalink)
Good points Yodap. 



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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/05 06:25:37 (permalink)
I feel like I've tripped and fallen face first into cow pie (the stinky kind), I've got one person possibly pulling out and another apparently feeling 'Badly demoralized, because they were hoping to have a chance this time but feel whatever team they end up on is destined to loose. And they don't see how they have any value in this contest.'
 
In the end isn't it all for the cause and the cure. And the goal to reach 1 Billion points in a month for team 111065, And 40 Million in a 24 hour period for team 111065.
 
I plan on bringing on a little more folding power mid next week, I've just got to get better and then fix the other computer it's a Frankenstein but it'll do.

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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/05 06:32:18 (permalink)
People need to remember this contest isn't about winning, it's about tacking on an extra bit of fun to what we are already doing anyway (folding for cures) I know it's already very clear who is going to win, but that's not the point. Fold, hang out in your teams topic, throw a pie or two, just have fun while folding.




 
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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/05 06:34:04 (permalink)
z999z3mystorys

People need to remember this contest isn't about winning, it's about tacking on an extra bit of fun to what we are already doing anyway (folding for cures) I know it's already very clear who is going to win, but that's not the point. Fold, hang out in your teams topic, throw a pie or two, just have fun while folding.


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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/05 06:39:09 (permalink)
I'm inclined to leave things as is, but have asked my team for their input. I can see the value in all three sides (the two point changes and staying as is.) Either way, let's keep rocking out the points!!


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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/05 06:42:47 (permalink)
This was my offering in another post...
 
So if I had any suggestion at all it would be this... Let this run just like it is, capture the scores and rankings... Then for the last week of the Competition... Release the hounds. Let all the teams produce what they want with no restrictions. Keeping the focus on the 1 Billion... Weigh that production into the first three weeks to produce the winner... 
  
Off the wall thought, but only about the goal of 1 Billion.  
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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/05 07:39:44 (permalink)
rjbelans

I haven't seen that behavior before. Have you tried just pausing the units and then starting them up again after you're done without actually shutting down FAHControl?

I'll try to do that as soon as the WU is done, in about 6 hours. Second WU with 14K+ credit.

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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/05 07:55:20 (permalink)
Popping back in just to say to Shy, hope you get well from what's ailing you soon.  When you and Mad are waltzing around together having fun in the contest pages, that is part of the fun of this thing. 
 
It can be difficult to affect what an individual team-mate is feeling about any given contest.  The best you can do is as you said offer encouragement to stay the course.  But in the end, if they are not feeling it, not having fun, etc, it may be better to exit the contest.  I don't fully understand the thing(s) that is motivating a few people to want to quit on your team.  Maybe if they could aire them here where we could consider the exact issues it would be of use, even if we have wait to implement a change in the future.
 
Hang in there, get some rest and report back here for duty when you're ready to howl! 



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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/05 08:05:19 (permalink)
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I feel like I've tripped and fallen face first into cow pie (the stinky kind), I've got one person possibly pulling out and another apparently feeling 'Badly demoralized, because they were hoping to have a chance this time but feel whatever team they end up on is destined to loose. And they don't see how they have any value in this contest.'



 
This saddens me...
 
While we all want to win and get caught up in all the excitement that is a contest at the end of the day I hope we can remember that win, lose, or draw wu's getting folded is the goal. We have fun with a little trash talk, we keep each other motivated with virtual pats on the back in our team threads, and we pass out a few prizes at the end as way to say thanks but to hear that people feel like they have no value is a bummer. 
 
I try to beat my own benchmarks during contests. I try my hardest to make accurate predictions based on my usage/equipment and then see if I can edge out a bit more by deciding not to play another round of BF3 or another few missions in GTA4. Or I sneak over and restart the folding client when the fiance steps away from her computer longer than she expected and left the it paused. It's all good fun and we should keep it that way. 
 
As for the point adjustments...I'm for whatever keeps it competitive so that everyone stays motivated the entire month. I'm usually against changing things after everything is underway, but if we're having people losing sight after not even reaching 5 days it might be worth it to help everyone push through. 

My computer finds cures for diseases and searches for aliens when I'm not gaming...what does yours do?
 
 
 
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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/05 08:06:27 (permalink)
First - I apologize if this is a double post - I hit "post message" and got a page error (Shane must have taken the roll of duct tape with him...).

Anyway....
 
Understanding that I'm a noobie (relatively "young" folder compared to thos of y'alls that have been doing this for a few years) and that this is my first official contest, my suggestion would be to not change anything.  There are going to be differences in what WU's are assigned and how it affects people.  Unless there are outside factors (e.g. - QRB or PG/Stanford changing something) that affects everyone - let the contest run its course.
 
Personally, I know I under estimated my PPD - but that is because I'm also now folding on my main rig overnight (usually one SMP WU per evening).  Depending on the WU - it has averaged around an additional 10k PPD.  If left to just my folding rig - I'm right about on target - again, averaged out.
 
However, with that being said - I do like AB's suggestion on the surface.  Not sure what sort of computational effects that might have - but seems like a cool twist. 
post edited by boballee - 2013/03/05 08:39:08



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Re:2013 Folding M@Dness Announcements 2013/03/05 08:32:13 (permalink)
Hmm....what if we track total team points for the whole month of March (instead of just the last week) with all points receiving full credit separate from contest points.  It would be analogous to a "regular season championship" in addition to the "playoff championship".


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