this is the way it was done last year AB
 
you can still receive contest points for any folding points past a certain point(like up to 10 or 20% more than you projected)
than after that you only receive about 1/2
 
every team is under it...so it's fair
 
 

Xavier Zepherious

this is the way it was done last year AB

you can still receive contest points for any folding points past a certain point(like up to 10 or 20% more than you projected)
than after that you only receive about 1/2

every team is under it...so it's fair

this math is too ambiguous. I need real numbers. I need to calculate my cost per point and be able to decide how much I am willing to pay for the extra point. make sense?
 
edit: I have committed to 1380 points. this costs me aproximatly 70 cents per point. if I descide I want to try for 2760 points this month. then If I have to spend 3 times as much money or 210 cents per point past the prommised 1380. well I cant afford that, so I need to know exactly what math is involved here so I can make a responsable decision without trial and error.

Gratuitous

I think its fair, but the math needs to be transperent to all of us so we can push it to the bleeding edge. ballance is always a tough one. the reason we should know the math is though so that when we exceed our comfort levels we need to know what we are getting for it, especially with electricity prices as high as they are.

 
It will be forthcoming shortly.

Wow, another contest that is full of crying because the organizers are trying to keep some sense of balance and fairness so all teams have a chance......
 
This will be the last folding contest I will be in. Even though it is a lot of fun and the donations for prizes are great I can no longer deal with the childish crying some people bring.
 
Huge thanks to all the organizers for all the hard work you put into this. I hope you have thick enough skin to let the excrement you get flung at you to slide off your backs.

troy8d

Gratuitous

Xavier Zepherious

this is the way it was done last year AB

you can still receive contest points for any folding points past a certain point(like up to 10 or 20% more than you projected)
than after that you only receive about 1/2

every team is under it...so it's fair

this math is too ambiguous. I need real numbers. I need to calculate my cost per point and be able to decide how much I am willing to pay for the extra point. make sense?

If you're looking for hard and fast numbers, you might be disappointed.

this was my edit and reason above:
edit: I have committed to 1380 points. this costs me aproximatly 70 cents per point. if I descide I want to try for 2760 points this month. then If I have to spend 3 times as much money or 210 cents per point past the prommised 1380. well I cant afford that, so I need to know exactly what math is involved here so I can make a responsable decision without trial and error.
if you just are sorta guessing at it then I can work with that as well:) man, I love what you have put into this and the whole enchelada. just want transperancy. anyway, keep up the good work. its all for a good cause.

drougnor

I just want to know how anything in the standings has changed, beyond points awarded, to warrant the accusation that winners are being picked by the system?

I had access to the testing that Troy did before he put the system 'live', and the rankings are unchanged.  All he has done is to ensure that some folders who had reported numbers that were FAR lower than they are producing currently are not unbalancing the contest unfairly.

To that point, I've already told him that if I somehow come into the unexpected ability to suddenly out perform my reported ability that I fully EXPECTED him to penalize my overall points production in order to make it more fair for the other teams. 

But, you already clearly stated that you didn't want to discuss this, so I'll leave it at that, as well as leaving this here:

From the contest page

• (Preliminary) Contestant Adjustment Point System
  • To insure the contest is as competitive as possible, an individual contestants ability to exceed their anticipated contest points will depend on several factors including (margin of deviation, team's performance, and other team's performance).
  • If a number of criteria are met, the contestant will only receive partial credit if they cross a certain threshold.
  • Contestants will never lose contest points for exceeding their projected folding points.  All points and work units produced will improve the contestant's and team's contest points.
  • The system will be sensitive to the unpredictable nature of folding.
  • All contestants will be subject to the exact same criteria.
  • Bottom line: the best way to insure a fair and competitive contest is to give as accurate a prediction as possible and fold as hard as you can throughout the competition.

 

I think you are taking my choice personal Your highlighted portion... And you may want to read my post again. I did not clearly say I did not want to discuss it... I said... Do not send me a PM. Do not try and reason with me. I am not upset. It is a choice I am making as this change has happened.
 
This is kind of easy to me....
 

• Member X claims 25k
• Member X Does 35k
• Member X is deducted a mathematical number to reduce 35k back to 25k.

Now...

• All team now are producing numbers as protected. = Winner was already known before contest as a member did the balancing of the players and the teams and the points change.

 
That is why I think what I said. It is not a big deal at all. Quite the opposite. I am just making a personal choice, just like I did to add production as I got into the fun. Now no one complained or offered disapproval for wanting to do more. Yet because I chose to go back to what I originally predicted I am the bad guy?
 
I just goofed. it is my mistake. I read everything before we started, and did not see anything about 2012 saying we would have points reduced to meet the original production.
 
I feel horrible knowing I hurt our team. As I know I cannot keep up the production as I am during the weekends during the week. So no matter what, I am hurting the team.
 

 
  ***EDIT***
 
  Man I forgot to post this question earlier when responding to you. Please note my interpretation may not be as it is intended.
 
I read these before hand. Note the highlighted portion. Nowhere does it say points will only be awarded partially. It also says we will never lose any points. I did. And why I feel I goofed...
 
Yet I feel some approaches/responses by a few here to my mistake as being a bit harsh... It is right there in black and white... We will never lose any of the Contest points... Well I did.. I had over 60 around 6am Pacific and now I have just over 40...
 
It does not say Production points or just points... It says Contest Points...
 
So I hope you understand my take on this. I understood it a bit different is all. Does that make since?

i agree that the whining is not good and would like to take the opportunity to remind everyone that the primary goal of this competition is to get us to 700M points. this is a friendly competition and as such, we should be cheering each other on.
 
the powers are doing their best to make the contest competitive. allowing 1 person to hold the contest hostage while everyone else who was accurate is punished for it is not a superior solution by my calculation.

Afterburner

drougnor

I just want to know how anything in the standings has changed, beyond points awarded, to warrant the accusation that winners are being picked by the system?

I had access to the testing that Troy did before he put the system 'live', and the rankings are unchanged.  All he has done is to ensure that some folders who had reported numbers that were FAR lower than they are producing currently are not unbalancing the contest unfairly.

To that point, I've already told him that if I somehow come into the unexpected ability to suddenly out perform my reported ability that I fully EXPECTED him to penalize my overall points production in order to make it more fair for the other teams. 

But, you already clearly stated that you didn't want to discuss this, so I'll leave it at that, as well as leaving this here:

From the contest page

• (Preliminary) Contestant Adjustment Point System
  • To insure the contest is as competitive as possible, an individual contestants ability to exceed their anticipated contest points will depend on several factors including (margin of deviation, team's performance, and other team's performance).
  • If a number of criteria are met, the contestant will only receive partial credit if they cross a certain threshold.
  • Contestants will never lose contest points for exceeding their projected folding points.  All points and work units produced will improve the contestant's and team's contest points.
  • The system will be sensitive to the unpredictable nature of folding.
  • All contestants will be subject to the exact same criteria.
  • Bottom line: the best way to insure a fair and competitive contest is to give as accurate a prediction as possible and fold as hard as you can throughout the competition.

 

I think you are taking my choice personal Your highlighted portion... And you may want to read my post again. I did not clearly say I did not want to discuss it... I said... Do not send me a PM. Do not try and reason with me. I am not upset. It is a choice I am making as this change has happened.

This is kind of easy to me....

• Member X claims 25k
• Member X Does 35k
• Member X is deducted a mathematical number to reduce 35k back to 25k.

Now...

• All team now are producing numbers as protected. = Winner was already known before contest as a member did the balancing of the players and the teams and the points change.

 
That is why I think what I said. It is not a big deal at all. Quite the opposite. I am just making a personal choice, just like I did to add production as I got into the fun. Now no one complained or offered disapproval for wanting to do more. Yet because I chose to go back to what I originally predicted I am the bad guy?

I just goofed. it is my mistake. I read everything before we started, and did not see anything about 2012 saying we would have points reduced to meet the original production.

I feel horrible knowing I hurt our team. As I know I cannot keep up the production as I am during the weekends during the week. So no matter what, I am hurting the team.


 

 
I don't mean this in a derogatory way, but this is pure speculation and assumption on your part.  I blame mostly myself for not having posted the details yet, but I am only human...all I ask is for a little patience before making rash assumptions or decisions.  I am in the process of summarizing it.

WHY DO WE CARE ABOUT CONTEST POINTS.
this contest is all about the team getting together.it is to promote folding.i do not care if Madrrias team beats  me or  not,i am just happy with all of the people that fold for this contest.it is not about big numbers,the little guys that fold 24/7 can out produce a big guy that only folds for a contest to try and win a prize. sorry just my take on the contest.

lol... OMG!!! Why is what my choice made being missed? Let's have a blast! Adjust the points however. I do not care.
 
I cannot produce during the week what I do on the weekends. So any "Single" adjustment would kill my points for our team instead of just being the turtle and doing my 9k.
 
So I HURT my team. At least I am manning up to it! Please do as you wish. Never thought I would cause issues because I owned up to my mistake. That is all.
 
No wonder folks keep leaving this team. Even when we are being up front as to what we did wrong we are tossed about...

Afterburner

lol... OMG!!! Why is what my choice made being missed? Let's have a blast! Adjust the points however. I do not care.

I cannot produce during the week what I do on the weekends. So any "Single" adjustment would kill my points for our team instead of just being the turtle and doing my 9k.

So I HURT my team. At least I am manning up to it! Please do as you wish. Never thought I would cause issues because I owned up to my mistake. That is all.

No wonder folks keep leaving this team. Even when we are being up front as to what we did wrong we are tossed about...

 
Under no circumstances does overproducing hurt your team.  Nor does it hurt you as an individual.  You just might not gain the full benefit of extreme overproduction.

Punchy


I also understand why Troy may not want to reveal the full formula, because then people will stop when they get close to the threshold.

yes, I will stop when getting close to the threashold. the point I am making is that if I want to spend an extra $20usd past my comfort level at least if I know the formula I will know that by pushing with that extra $20 donation my team will come out as I wanted it to. make sense? most of us are intellagent enough to figure out these things if they have the proper information to make decisions on. I know my comfort level is donating around $95 usd to this contest. if I think that because the formula will push a win for my team by me donating an extra $20 or $40 then I will do it. but if putting the extra money in won't ultimatly make a differance then I won't. I am already doubling what I nomally do on a month to month basis because of the contest. so no matter if i stop at a threashold or not the project still comes out ahead.

Lu523

 Does it really matter if a team wins or loses? I know bragging rights and all. Take into account what folding is for. We are trying to help out mankind. The points, contest, prizes and EVGA buck are just a bonus for doing what we feel is the right thing.

no, in reality it doesnt matter. but I advocate letting everyone decide for themselves what matters and what doesnt. transperancy man. :) fold on im done asking for it. do what you think is best. I'm along for the ride any way it roles.

Lu523

 Does it really matter if a team wins or loses? I know bragging rights and all. Take into account what folding is for. We are trying to help out mankind. The points, contest, prizes and EVGA buck are just a bonus for doing what we feel is the right thing.

Yes and no. It is fun for the whole contest, but the true winners are those that benefit from this.
 
I think my voicing my personal mistake was a poor choice.
 
The contest is awesome! My mistake is the issue, not bragging rights. If that is what is being read even though I am going way over the norm to help make sure this is not the issue... It is time for me to stop trying...

i got a stupid question,
why do i have to  say what my points or ppd a day is.
i fold,but i do not check every wu or points every day.
so when i join a contest i have to guess,.
when i fold i do not check my stats everyday or update.i just check to make sure my system is working.
 
you know,
when i am in a contest i just turn on folding.i check it every 12 hours or so.i   go fishing or riding my harley.
i do not sit at my desk and try and compute my folding points.
i estimate my production for a contest by my last 24 hour output.
if they sneak a new wu in im screwed.
but win ,lose , or draw, i am here for my team.