oops.... did i just drop a nuke? ^_^ 

farthestkris

oops.... did i just drop a nuke? ^_^ 

 
I hope so! 
 
Is it a tandem nuke strike? 

troy can we add a row to the stats that shows cp not counted? like you did on the summer show down? there needs to be transparency here on how many points are not counted.

troy8d

farthestkris

troy can we add a row to the stats that shows cp not counted? like you did on the summer show down? there needs to be transparency here on how many points are not counted.

Waiting on the results of the captain's vote before proceeding.

gotcha.
 
 
 
 
 
on another  note
 
1,000+ point gap now on some teams 
 

Troy. I am more then positive at least one got through. Because you fixed my EOC ID but not the PPD. but theres really not much that can be done now. But after looking at the points to do I can believe with maxed production that we are over 600 points behind first as of 10:17 est this morning.

Speaking as just a participant here... And only about the points, not our other goals...
 
Example...
 
One of my teammates predicted 27 and is doing 38 an 11 point overage = 1.407 (40.7%) (145,391 @137.9 points)
 
Another 42 and is doing 49.2 an 7.2 overage = 1.17 (17%) (139,805 @ 178.8 points!!!)
 
I predicted 12 doing 19.2 a 7.2 overage = 1.60 (60%). (162,656 @ 69.6 points)
 
So by this account and until the captains vote on what they see as being a reasonable tact... It is clear... stay under 45% and points rack up regardless of the prediction. Yeah, 10% and 20% and so on get hit, it just gets compounded the higher you go.  It is equal for all. And that is fair. What is not fair IMHO is that 40% is ok, but 60 is not. All of the overage above 10% should have equal impact if in fact you do not want overage. As it is clear the way it is now can hurt a small producer Significantly!
 
I have only produced  162,656 at this point. It is not like I cranked out 500,000 or 1,000,000. Yet I am 109.2 points behind a member with 22,851 less total production.  That is only two SMP's worth of points (I avg 11,500 each SMP). That is not huge or sandbaging. Yet a larger predictor has produced well over 250,000 more than predicted and had mad points. SO who is the sandbagger... The one with 22,000 overage or 250,000?
 
Not to mention one of our teammate is still not producing and he was predicted @ 28 per day... I am at 19.2... The counter balance is???
 
Just pointing out an anomaly I am sure... But there it is for what that is worth...
 
 
P.S. I have chosen to only speak on participants on my team because I fear it would cause animosity or give a false impression that I have something against another team if I used other examples. Additionally, I chose two that are close or at least similar in raw production for a better understanding of my thoughts. My concern was if I chose one with 500k in raw production it would confuse the example. I did not pick anyone because they are doing anything wrong. Only trying to stay as close as I could to raw production...

oops,i sent my jihad rats to madrais house to chew cable and wires. they must have went to muskies by mistake,sorry muskie.

we made 29.16mil last 24 hours guys! very close to goal of 30

Gratuitous

we made 29.16mil last 24 hours guys! very close to goal of 30

 
ALL HANDS ON DECK!    Lets do it!!

Any change we will hit the +1000 percent over fold so I could get full credit for my mistake. Lol just joshing ya. :)

i knew i was gonna fold hard all weekend then back off during the week, so i will balance out over the next 2-3days.

Okay as usual I've been the quiet observer.
 
What I have I have I'm not one that can add anything to boost my points the estimate I gave is in the middle of the points I get due to the WUs I've been getting and how long they take to be done.
 
Then there's those that can add to their points in someway or other as they do have the means to.
 
Why is it there's ALWAYS something when it comes to a contest.
 

Madrias

I've spotted a bit of a points discrepancy.  Did someone sneak the system into place to see if we wouldn't notice?

You wished for peace from me.  Now you have war.  Am I against the anti-sandbagging system?  Not entirely, but when it appears to be linearly scaled at this point, it hurts.  It hurts because at this point, I'm getting docked points because I'm over because I decided to 24-7 one rig for 3 days straight.  A strategy I never normally do.

Yet someone (who I will leave unnamed) can run an aggressively high number of predicted points and is well over (by the standards of even the heavy hitters) his predicted PPD, is making full points.

At this point, I'm calling this points balance trick a massive steaming pile of fartpaste.

In reading between the lines that would be Werty I assume. Why pick on the one high point folder on my team?
Not an aim or gripe at Mad there but I had the feeling of who he ment.
 
I notice some collaboration going on by some that have complained about over producing. Intentional or not I don't know. And those seemingly in collaboration are on the team that look to be the biggest offenders of over production.
 
Why is there always some massive speed hump in every contest.
 
*wanders and stands in the path of fire rather than avoiding it* Fire at will cause I know there's those that might or are gonna.
 
 
 

Making a competition fair is a very very difficult problem.  I do something similar as a part of my job and so I sympathize with both the organizer and the contestants.  Let's try to support troy as he puzzles out a solution that most benefits Stanford and yet keeps things as fair as practical within the rules and format.

then look at first week like a qualifying week(like we had no teams)...now either move people about(and assign them now) - and make the teams fair 
 
- or apply penalties for low estimates and over production
 3-4 weeks prior to contest and no one could figure their output?
come on (even if it require going full bore for a week or two prior)
 
- I was pretty accurate - even with the swing in the new units
would it be fair if I had 2 4p rigs on the side(crunching) - posted my i7 folding capabilities(figuring it should be enough)... and then bring in the big guns 4 days after the contest started because My team is losing
 
you have to look even at the possibility people fudged numbers on the safe side (whether intentional, or subconscious, or in err). then there should be some mechanism for re-balance - redress
 
people with the big guns should be more careful considering they can influence the contest even more so - with the big numbers
10% of 450k is a whole i7(new 3930k rig)... I don't know about you ...but not everyoine can go out and buy a new i7 to make up for that under estimate
 

Xavier Zepherious

then look at first week like a qualifying week(like we had no teams)...now either move people about(and assign them now) - and make the teams fair 

- or apply penalties for low estimates and over production
3-4 weeks prior to contest and no one could figure their output?
come on (even if it require going full bore for a week or two prior)

- I was pretty accurate - even with the swing in the new units
would it be fair if I had 2 4p rigs on the side(crunching) - posted my i7 folding capabilities(figuring it should be enough)... and then bring in the big guns 4 days after the contest started because My team is losing

you have to look even at the possibility people fudged numbers on the safe side (whether intentional, or subconscious, or in err). then there should be some mechanism for re-balance - redress

people with the big guns should be more careful considering they can influence the contest even more so - with the big numbers
10% of 450k is a whole i7(new 3930k rig)... I don't know about you ...but not everyoine can go out and buy a new i7 to make up for that under estimate

Regarding the 'fudged numbers': Some of us had no plan to do 24-7.  Some of us weren't planning on bringing up new rigs, but our teams have convinced us to do it.  Others did it in the spirit of the contest.
 
Now yes, the kind of person who would sign up their Core 2 Quad and then bring the full force of 5 G34 machines (hypothetical, so don't think I'm picking someone out, learned my mistake already on that one) online to crush the competition, well, I'll call 'em a slimeball for sure and a sandbagger.
 
The kind of person who estimates 12 hours worth of their most powerful rig because they run half days usually, and wanted to leave a bit of room open for gaming, and gets convinced by their team that they need to 24-7 it and also bring on any older stuff available, well, that's me you're talking about, and while I may technically be 'sandbagged' I will tell you with perfect honesty that my plan was not to pull every stop out unless we were in last.
 
Then you've got the big item that's thrown a wrench in the works for this whole contest: HPCS.  The big controversy.
 
You want my opinion on it, it's a cheap way to make your points, but if the contest organizers say "hey, let's let the HPCS runners rock it" then fine, they can run it.  Will I complain any about it?  I've done so a touch, but only because I consider it a cheap way to make one's points.
 
You've got people like me who have access to the rigs of family members, but won't use them out of the spirit of ownership.  Why?  Because while I could go to the other room, and kick over Dad's Q9550, GTX 275, and E8600, they aren't technically 'my' hardware.  I'd rather my points be my own from my own rigs.
 
So, while some on this forum will probably call me names or quote me out of context, I'll state my mind and defend my points the best I can.