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2015/09/04 20:08:15 (permalink)
So I recently got a evga gtx 970 ftw. And I'm gonna upgrade my monitor in the future. I play games that have free roam, I guess RPGS like witcher 3 and gta5. games that have really good graphics. but idk if I should get a 1080p 144hz monitor or 1440p 60hz monitor. will a gtx 970 be good enough for 1440p?  
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/04 23:36:20 (permalink)
    A single 970 is not going to run 1440p and 144hz.  So you are better off buying the 1080p/144 monitor but I doubt the 970 will reach over 100 fps on newer games even at 1080p.  I had the 970 and was getting 60fps on Witcher 3 @1440p, Ultra, AA off.   I now own the 980 ti and get 90-100fps @1440p, Ultra, AA off. 
     
    So if you want 144fps then go for a 1080p monitor, I would rather take more frames vs resolution.  Basically this is the general consensus:
     
    Everything on Ultra, AA off
    1080p/60fps = 970
    1080p/60-144fps = 980
    1440p/60fps = 980
    1440p/60-144 = 980 ti
    4k/30fps, medium settings = 980 ti
     
    Again this is just an idea, sure I can get 120fps with an overclocked 980 on Battlefield 4 but newer games like witcher 3, GTA V you are not going to get 144  even with a Ti but many older games you will reach 144+ easily.  The 970 offers the best value because is the perfect 1080p/60 card, the 980 is sightly faster than the 970 and when you overclock it, it can be the perfect 1080p/144 card and the Ti is considered the best 1440p/144 card today.   There is not single 4k/60 card today .
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/05 08:17:00 (permalink)
    That's not what I have been reading at all. There are plenty of people that use a 970gtx on 1440P and would rather have a higher resolution than faster rates. Some of the games that struggle with a 970 on 1440p are due to poor optimization. But very true, I would not try to run 1440p/144 with a single 970gtx
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/05 08:28:38 (permalink)
    that's a really interesting topic and it would be great if more guys post their experience with resolution vs. frame rates.
    indeed some claim the higher resolution compensates for the lower frame rates.
    but is this true even for fast-paced FPS games!?

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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/05 08:54:17 (permalink)
    Well I'll comment here because I run 2 gtx 970 ftw in sli, with the asus rog monitor which is 1440p and 144hz. It runs freaking awesome. I easily get anywhere from 120-144 fps in bf4 with everything on ultra in sli. Without sli it still pumps all my games in ultra, not as many fps but definitly no stuttering or lag. A gtx 970 ftw is more than capable of running 1440p and 144hz. And the jump from 1080p to 1440p is amazing. Highly reccomend 1440p. Hope this helps.
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/05 09:03:06 (permalink)
    It would mostly depend on what you're playing. Back when I healed in MMO's all the time, I needed as much monitor space I could get for heal bars, so I wanted a larger, higher resolution monitor. Frames per second was not as much of a concern because even everything was on timers and I knew when things were going to happen anyways.
     
    People that play first person shooters for example tend to favor higher refresh rates so everything looks smoother and some say it helps them play better. I personally do not see an improvement in gameplay, but it definitely looks nicer. Then again, I tend to favor co-op shooters such as Payday 2 or Killing Floor instead of the more competitive PvP shooters.
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/05 10:30:38 (permalink)
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    That's not what I have been reading at all. There are plenty of people that use a 970gtx on 1440P and would rather have a higher resolution than faster rates. Some of the games that struggle with a 970 on 1440p are due to poor optimization. But very true, I would not try to run 1440p/144 with a single 970gtx


    The OP soecifically mentioned that he wants to play Witcher 3 and GTA 5 , two of the newest and most demanding games , a single 970 is going to get you 60fps on those games on high/ultra settings @1440p.

    I never said that you could not run 1440p with a 970, sure you can I had the 970 and a Qnix 1440p monitor and my older games ran 100fps + but to run 1440p/144 you need 2 970 or a ti.

    Again read his OP he either wants 1440/60 or 1080/144 I gave my opinion that I would rather get higher frames so for a single 970 a 1080/144 would be his best bet.
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/05 10:43:00 (permalink)
    Run an Asus Rog Swift here and it's great, couldn't go back to 60hz now games are so much smoother at 144 frames. As for can a GTX 970 run 1440p at 144 frames...



    Yes, will it max games out? No. Is that an issue, only the op can decide.

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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/05 12:22:58 (permalink)
    Gtx900, if you play not so fast-paced games with open worlds to explore and nice scenery, I'd recommend going 1440p/60 with your single 970ftw. You wont really notice the higher refresh rate above 60 with those types of games. You will notice the gorgeous panoramic views with the upgraded resolution.
     
    Not sure what your budget is. If you want to go all out you could buy a 1440p/144hz monitor. This way you'll have the best of both worlds and can always SLI that 970 down the road. Or get a better GPU down the road. Until then, you'll benefit from the 1440p resolution and can always run the monitor / cap your refresh rate at 60 and have less need for v-sync. Only negative is you'll pay a premium price for this type of monitor and if you won't fully utilize the features it could be a waste. Tough call, there have been many threads over the years re: this mini-dilemma. Just Google search your thread title and you'll come across many threads on other forums addressing the pros and cons. Good luck, there is no wrong decision!

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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/05 13:40:15 (permalink)
    From someone who owns a 970 and 1440p and built friends computers with 970s and 1440p, I can say that a 970 is enough for 1440p/60.  And many others on this board have 970s at 1440p and get great frame rates.
     
    As to whether you should go 144Hz or 1440p, I would go 1440p all the way.  1440p has 1.6 Million more pixels than 1080p, which is almost double the resolution.  You are getting a lot more detail.  If you are a hardcore FPS shooter, then I would say maybe get the 144Hz monitor as that is the genre of games that benefits the most from it.  But as a guy with 1350+ hours in BF4, I still would rather have a 1440/60 monitor over a 1080/144 (I own a 1440/120 monitor by the way).


     
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/05 14:33:00 (permalink)
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    Gtx900, if you play not so fast-paced games with open worlds to explore and nice scenery, I'd recommend going 1440p/60 with your single 970ftw. You wont really notice the higher refresh rate above 60 with those types of games. You will notice the gorgeous panoramic views with the upgraded resolution.
     
    Not sure what your budget is. If you want to go all out you could buy a 1440p/144hz monitor. This way you'll have the best of both worlds and can always SLI that 970 down the road. Or get a better GPU down the road. Until then, you'll benefit from the 1440p resolution and can always run the monitor / cap your refresh rate at 60 and have less need for v-sync. Only negative is you'll pay a premium price for this type of monitor and if you won't fully utilize the features it could be a waste. Tough call, there have been many threads over the years re: this mini-dilemma. Just Google search your thread title and you'll come across many threads on other forums addressing the pros and cons. Good luck, there is no wrong decision!

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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/06 07:12:35 (permalink)
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    From someone who owns a 970 and 1440p and built friends computers with 970s and 1440p, I can say that a 970 is enough for 1440p/60.  And many others on this board have 970s at 1440p and get great frame rates.
     
    As to whether you should go 144Hz or 1440p, I would go 1440p all the way.  1440p has 1.6 Million more pixels than 1080p, which is almost double the resolution.  You are getting a lot more detail.  If you are a hardcore FPS shooter, then I would say maybe get the 144Hz monitor as that is the genre of games that benefits the most from it.  But as a guy with 1350+ hours in BF4, I still would rather have a 1440/60 monitor over a 1080/144 (I own a 1440/120 monitor by the way).


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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/06 07:49:51 (permalink)
    Get both?  
    1440p/144hz FTW!
     
    My $0.02:
    I went from 1080p 60hz to 144 hz and it was noticeably better for fast moving games like FPS, etc.
    My new monitor is 1440p/144hz and it is really awesome.  Granted I have a 980ti so I get ~100fps in most titles to actually utilize the higher refresh rate.
     
    I'm gonna go with ManBear and say choose 1440p since you like free roam games and it offers a better picture overall, even if refresh rate will be 60hz.

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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/06 13:00:36 (permalink)
    1440p = 55.25% more pixels than 1080p, so that's the overhead in upping the resolution.
    144hz = 240% more overheard than 60hz (if you're trying to game AT that framerate, locked). If you're not running VSYNC, you're still going to have tearing, it just won't be as noticeable.
     
    The choice between 1080p/144 and 1440p/60 is and has always been - "Do you prefer more fluid motion, or a sharper, more detailed image?" I absolutely love the way that a game looks at a locked 60fps with VSYNC, so I'm choosing 1440p/60 (my new monitor ships Tuesday and should be here next week).
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/06 13:14:21 (permalink)
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    1440p = 55.25% more pixels than 1080p, so that's the overhead in upping the resolution.
    144hz = 240% more overheard than 60hz (if you're trying to game AT that framerate, locked). If you're not running VSYNC, you're still going to have tearing, it just won't be as noticeable.

    That math is off.
     
    1080p = 1920 * 1080 = 2,073,600
    1440p = 2560 * 1440 = 3,686,400
    3,686,400 / 2,073,600 = 77.7778% more pixels
     
    144Hz / 60Hz = 140% more Hz


     
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/06 16:20:42 (permalink)
    Personally I want refresh rate over resolution no matter what game I'm playing, but that's just a personal opinion. Everyone is going to have a different opinion. I think once you get used to high refresh rates, it's hard to go back. It all depends on what you are used to.

     
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/06 23:48:31 (permalink)
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    1440p = 55.25% more pixels than 1080p, so that's the overhead in upping the resolution.
    144hz = 240% more overheard than 60hz (if you're trying to game AT that framerate, locked). If you're not running VSYNC, you're still going to have tearing, it just won't be as noticeable.

    That math is off.
     
    1080p = 1920 * 1080 = 2,073,600
    1440p = 2560 * 1440 = 3,686,400
    3,686,400 / 2,073,600 = 77.7778% more pixels
     
    144Hz / 60Hz = 140% more Hz




    Thank you, you're correct. I was a bit tired when I did this and used the wrong numerator/denominators.
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/06 23:51:10 (permalink)
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    Thank you, you're correct. I was a bit tired when I did this and used the wrong numerator/denominators.

    lol, happens to me all the time


     
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/07 07:47:24 (permalink)
    Do your eyes a favor and get a 144hz, they'll last a lot longer.

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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/07 09:06:36 (permalink)
    There are tons of videos where some people can't even see the difference between 60Hz and 144hz. Not saying that there is not a noticeable difference but 1080p vs 1440p is very noticeable. I mean, as far as the percentage of increase in Hz and pixels, imagine if there was hardware and games capable of even more... If a game could be played in 576hz do you really think you could see that much difference? Where as if you could play a game in 8k on a screen that was big enough, you would notice a ton of difference. Things like anti aliasing wouldn't even need to be done with pixels that small and with so many. Of course, optimally, having both would be cool but to me, as long as you are staying around 60 fps, I'd much rather have a higher resolution.
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/07 10:59:54 (permalink)
    a side question from me, are all the 1440p monitors 27" and above?
    nothing smaller sized with 1440p resolution one can suggest?
    I'm not a fan of big monitor frames...
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/07 12:13:37 (permalink)
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    a side question from me, are all the 1440p monitors 27" and above?
    nothing smaller sized with 1440p resolution one can suggest?
    I'm not a fan of big monitor frames...




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    I had a 970 first with the 1440p monitor & it struggled. I had a BenQ 120Hz 1080p panel previosuly & the 970 did great with that


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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/07 12:14:59 (permalink)
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    a side question from me, are all the 1440p monitors 27" and above?
    nothing smaller sized with 1440p resolution one can suggest?
    I'm not a fan of big monitor frames...




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    Let's see if that link works. As of right now, the smallest 144p that I can find is 25".
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/07 12:48:09 (permalink)
    I don't want to hi-jack the thread but what about this monitor?
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009849
     
    I know people have reservations about Acer products but I think almost every monitor I own right now is an Acer and I love them all. This is 75Hz and 2K. I'm thinking it looks pretty good...
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/07 13:17:19 (permalink)
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    I don't want to hi-jack the thread but what about this monitor?
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009849
     
    I know people have reservations about Acer products but I think almost every monitor I own right now is an Acer and I love them all. This is 75Hz and 2K. I'm thinking it looks pretty good...

    That looks good, but for just $11 more, you can get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009769 from Acer that is 1440p and 144Hz.  Only thing to note is both of those monitors are TN panels.
     
    If you can spend $100 more this is the monitor I would get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236466  It's an ASUS 1440p and 144Hz, but more importantly it is an IPS panel.  So you will be getting much better colors and viewing angles.  After making the switch to IPS myself, I can never go back to TN panels.


     
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/07 14:29:04 (permalink)
    How would that work on a single 970gtx? Say if you had a 2k monitor running at 60Hz and 60fps but if it could, it would hit say 80fps at times.... Would the same monitor but with a 144Hz rate preform exactly the same only hitting the 80 fps when it was able? In other words, does moving up to a 144Hz refresh rate hinder anything as opposed to staying with 60Hz?
    And since it's just me sitting right in front of the monitor, a tn panel doesn't matter too much.
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/07 14:37:51 (permalink)
    You are right that the TN angles don't matter much when its a computer monitor, but you still get MUCH better colors which is the main reason why I get them.  But I guess if you never have used an IPS and are used to TN, you won't know what you are missing lol.  I've just spoiled myself with my TVs and monitors being IPS, now I cant go back to TN (I notice right away when looking at friends TN monitors).
     
    And no, running 80fps on a 144Hz monitor won't hinder anything.  It would be like playing a game at 35fps on a 60Hz monitor.  It's not going to look worse/hinder anything, you just won't be getting the full refresh rate of the monitor.  Having a 144Hz monitor gives you plenty of headroom and if your computer can push 144 fps, then you are just getting everything you can out of the monitor.
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/08 01:45:05 (permalink)
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    I don't want to hi-jack the thread but what about this monitor?
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009849
     
    I know people have reservations about Acer products but I think almost every monitor I own right now is an Acer and I love them all. This is 75Hz and 2K. I'm thinking it looks pretty good...




    http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=12520
     
    Was on sale for $299.99 until about 2 hours ago (I ordered one over the weekend). Still a solid monitor at $460.
     
    -27"
    -1440p
    -AHVA (same as IPS/PLS, not to be confused with VA)
    -all inputs (DP, DVI, VGA, HDMI)
    -Stand allows for tilt, height, and swivel
    -Acer sells a monitor using the exact same panel, but with fewer inputs and a cruddy stand, and it costs more
    -WARNING: full on glossy (sheet of glass)
    -It's basically an Apple Cinema Display minus the great speakers, USB, and camera (wife has an ACD, I'm a huge fan, which is why I ordered it
     
    As has been pointed out, the monitors you're looking at are TN. You'll hear a lot of IPS fans (fanboys?) say that IPS is superior. The truth is that each panel type has pros and cons, and while IPS has the fewest cons, it still has weaknesses. There's no perfect panel, and each panel type addresses something that some individuals are susceptible to noticing. Some examples (not a definitive list):
     
    TN - Has the fastest response times (NOT to be confused with input lag, two TOTALLY different things), which means less ghosting, but has poor vertical viewing angles (screen darkens or washes out from above/below), and average horizontal viewing angles (gamma shift from the sides). Color quality is typically 6-bit + frc (262k colors + dithering to fake 16.7m colors), but some are 8-bit. Assume 6-bit unless specifically advertised as 8-bit (ROG Swift is 8-bit). Best used for budget displays, or for gaming where a person is highly susceptible to motion blur/ghosting.
     
    VA - Has the best contrast ratio, which gives the illusion of seeing deeper into the image in high contrast scenes. Response times are the poorest of the panels (VA advertised as 1ms means ULMB strobing, so it's fake and not applicable to all usage scenarios. 4ms advertised generally means gross overdrive leading to reverse ghosting). Vertical viewing angles are good, but horizontal viewing angles are pretty bad. It's like TN flipped 90 degrees in that sense. Panels are typically 8-bit. Best used for media/movie consumption, and gaming where a person is not susceptible to motion blur/ghosting, but is highly annoyed by IPS glow.
     
    IPS/AHVA/PLS/ - Response times are between TN and VA. Viewing angles are outstanding except when IPS glow shows (dark rooms, bright scenes) which can wash out the display, but only at extreme angles. Contrast is the worst of the three but acceptable. Typically 8-bit panels, but some are now 6-bit + FRC. Best used for content creation and color critical work, and gaming where all-around visual quality is preferred at the expense of mild ghosting and poorer contrast.
     
    There you have it, in terms of the basics. Anyone who tells you that XXX panel type is the best is misinformed or biased. The best panel for you is the one that is strong in the 1-2 areas where you easily perceive imperfections. I've used all three and I can't settle on one. I'd really prefer to have one of each to use for specific scenarios. Hopefully Quantum Dot and/or OLED get PC-ready soon (the first QD display is coming out in October/November, but it's not real QD, just QD backlighting for an IPS panel).
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/08 01:48:37 (permalink)
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    You are right that the TN angles don't matter much when its a computer monitor, but you still get MUCH better colors which is the main reason why I get them.  



    Just a heads up, not all TN monitors are 6-bit color. As a result, some TN panels are actually pretty close to IPS in color. I say close, because color/gamma shift from viewing angles still ruins it. But from head on (how most PC gamers will use it), an 8-bit TN is nearly as good as an 8-bit IPS in this regard, but with the benefit of better response times and ever so slightly better contrast.
     
    In fact, I'd be 100% OK with an 8-bit TN panel for gaming, except that I have yet to see a single TN panel that didn't use horrid grainy matte film. I prefer glossy, I like plasma deposition, and I can live with grain-free film. Unfortunately, I only ever see the first 2 on IPS/PLS/AHVA, and the latter on VA panels. *I have once, a long time ago, seen a glossy TN from HP, but it was 6-bit + FRC.
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    Re: 144hz vs 1440p? 2015/09/10 03:27:03 (permalink)
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    http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=12520
     
    Was on sale for $299.99 until about 2 hours ago (I ordered one over the weekend). Still a solid monitor at $460.




    Just wanted to point out it's back on sale but for $269.99 now. I won't get mine until Friday, but I'll be calling during normal business hours to see if I can get the $30 credited to me.
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