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Guys, I received my new 1080 FTW yesterday, and I'm a little disappointed with its performance out of the box. I replaced an ASUS STRIX 1080, and I thought I would get better performance out of the box with the 1080 FTW, being that the clock and memory speed were higher than the STRIX. I ran a couple of benchmarks last night in Heaven - my scores with the STRIX were in the high 2900s, while the FTW scored in the low 2900s. The FTW card even runs hotter than the STRIX. I struggled to get the STRIX above 70C, while the FTW runs around 72-73 after one loop of Heaven. I completely uninstalled the graphics drivers and installed the latest from Nvidia. Does anyone have any suggestions that I can try to maybe get a little more performance and cooling out of this card?
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 07:00:30
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The clocks from the factory typically mean very little, as gpu boost 3.0 will boost the card dynamically to much higher than stock numbers.
What was the actual clocks of strix compared to the ftw?
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 07:08:09
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Scarlet-Tech The clocks from the factory typically mean very little, as gpu boost 3.0 will boost the card dynamically to much higher than stock numbers.
What was the actual clocks of strix compared to the ftw?
For the STRIX: Core Clock: 1695 Boost Clock: 1835
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 08:04:52
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BDay33
Scarlet-Tech The clocks from the factory typically mean very little, as gpu boost 3.0 will boost the card dynamically to much higher than stock numbers.
What was the actual clocks of strix compared to the ftw?
For the STRIX:
Core Clock: 1695 Boost Clock: 1835
He meant when you are running the benchmarks, what was the clock showing in the monitoring tool such as Afterburner or Precision X? My FTW both boost to near 2200. What is the temperature of your GPU? How is the airflow in your case (what is your case)? The GPU starts to throttle when it gets too hot.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 08:10:56
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LFaWolf
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Scarlet-Tech The clocks from the factory typically mean very little, as gpu boost 3.0 will boost the card dynamically to much higher than stock numbers.
What was the actual clocks of strix compared to the ftw?
For the STRIX:
Core Clock: 1695 Boost Clock: 1835
He meant when you are running the benchmarks, what was the clock showing in the monitoring tool such as Afterburner or Precision X? My FTW both boost to near 2200. What is the temperature of your GPU? How is the airflow in your case (what is your case)? The GPU starts to throttle when it gets too hot.
I'll have to check on that when I get home this afternoon.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 08:33:30
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☄ Helpfulby BDay33 2017/01/20 09:31:22
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 10:52:00
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LFaWolf
BDay33
Scarlet-Tech The clocks from the factory typically mean very little, as gpu boost 3.0 will boost the card dynamically to much higher than stock numbers.
What was the actual clocks of strix compared to the ftw?
For the STRIX:
Core Clock: 1695 Boost Clock: 1835
He meant when you are running the benchmarks, what was the clock showing in the monitoring tool such as Afterburner or Precision X? My FTW both boost to near 2200. What is the temperature of your GPU? How is the airflow in your case (what is your case)? The GPU starts to throttle when it gets too hot.
Boost....out of the box? Or overclock to near 2200? The first, I'd have trouble believing.....
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 10:59:05
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Near 2200, it was 215x one card, 214x the other. OC of course. I don't think any card boost to that out of the box. If I remember correctly, default boost was somewhere below 2000. I removed the OC and just use the default. Not much difference in frame rates that I can tell.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 11:37:50
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 12:19:05
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LFaWolf Near 2200, it was 215x one card, 214x the other. OC of course. I don't think any card boost to that out of the box. If I remember correctly, default boost was somewhere below 2000. I removed the OC and just use the default. Not much difference in frame rates that I can tell.
Heat will reduce frame rates in benchmarks / overall performance. On air, a lot of cards can run 2150 and higher, but frame rates in benchmarks won't change much and sometimes even go down, because they're running hotter. When they're cooled better the scores at those clocks will improve, and probably allow for lower voltages. Mine would both run 2200 in SLI on air in Timespy, but the scores were about the same as they ran on 2139. I put them under water and dropped the ambient temps, and now they're running 2252 in Timespy with some pretty awesome graphics scores. It's all about the temps.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 12:34:06
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I read somewhere Pascal cards start to throttle after reaching 60c. My cards are fine. I am more into smooth game plays than benchmarking.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 12:43:01
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LFaWolf I read somewhere Pascal cards start to throttle after reaching 60c. My cards are fine. I am more into smooth game plays than benchmarking.
It's called dynamic frequency control. Dynamic frequency control and true thermal throttling are two very different things.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 12:44:23
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LFaWolf I read somewhere Pascal cards start to throttle after reaching 60c. My cards are fine. I am more into smooth game plays than benchmarking.
They start adjusting clocks / voltages at much lower than 60c. I've experienced stable runs at 24c, and in the next run when the GPU hit 25c, it created instability and dropped frames. They may not be actually "throttling" at lower temps, but they still have a HUGE impact on performance and stability, even at very low temps. EDIT: What Sajin said, as well.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 17:23:51
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So, I just tried benchmarking with 3dmark TimeSpy:
Monitored using GPU-Z
Highest GPU Core Clock: 1999.5 Highest GPU Memory Clock: 1251.5 Highest Temp: 77C
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 17:29:18
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The temp is too high. What case and air flow are you getting?
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 17:35:05
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 17:39:48
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I think with that case, airflow could be a problem. Did you install an extra intake fan in the front? Is the only exhaust out near the CPU (that you did not open the vent on top)? What is the fan curve that is currently running? With a new card (RMA I assume) it should have the new video BIOS and the fan curve should be more aggressive to keep the card cool. For example, if I remember correctly, my fan curve ramps to 100% when temp reaches 70c, 80% when 60c.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 18:08:35
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Just downloaded Precision X and set a custom fan curve: adult imageResults after running TimeSpy for a 2nd time.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 18:40:38
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Not bad, but I suspect you have some dead (hot/warm) air trapped in the case. Run some benchmarks and see what you get.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/20 21:20:32
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LFaWolf Not bad, but I suspect you have some dead (hot/warm) air trapped in the case. Run some benchmarks and see what you get.
Ran some more benchmarks - still around the same.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/21 01:36:59
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What were the VID's for each 1080? Not all chips are created equal so they may not be using the same base level voltage. Same model CPUs have been shipping with different VIDs for years.
Have water, will cool.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/21 10:28:29
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kougar What were the VID's for each 1080? Not all chips are created equal so they may not be using the same base level voltage. Same model CPUs have been shipping with different VIDs for years.
Noob question here - where can I find that? Also..my card is pretty close to my CPU cooler. Close enough that I struggly get my finger in between to un-latch the card from the motherboard. Could this be causing a temperature issue? Can I move the card to another slot? I just ran 3 hours in the iRacing 24 hours of Daytona. Max temp on the card was 75 and it looked to stay around the 68-72 range as far as temp. FPS stayed at 144fps most of the way around the track. EDIT: The next slot below is a x8 lane - the one I currently have it in is a x16. Will swapping to the x8 hurt performance?
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/21 13:14:05
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I'm thinking it might be the card, guys. Just put the STRIX back in, and ran it at 2560x1440 instead of 1080p like I was running. Even had a less aggressive fan profile with 80% fan speed at 70C, and the temp never reached 70C.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/21 13:19:29
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You are running at a 100MHz higher clock with the FTW, and the temp difference is 2c. I don't think it is the card. So, in summary, what is the issue? Do you want to have a higher clock? Do you want to OC? Did you get a chance to watch that video? Edit: Also, Precision OC allows you to see the voltage, if you want to get that info.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/21 13:49:51
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LFaWolf You are running at a 100MHz higher clock with the FTW, and the temp difference is 2c. I don't think it is the card. So, in summary, what is the issue? Do you want to have a higher clock? Do you want to OC? Did you get a chance to watch that video? Edit: Also, Precision OC allows you to see the voltage, if you want to get that info.
But with the fan profile on the first benchmark, the fan was at 100% at 70C. On the latest benchmark, the max fan speed at 48% and staying below 70 at a higher resolution. The fans are having to work much harder on the EVGA card to maintain a reasonable temp. With the fan profile from the latest benchmark on the EVGA card, the temp was 77C which is too warm.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/21 14:52:42
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I see. That is why some folks are asking you about the voltage, so you can compare the 2 cards. The FTW could be running with higher voltage. With higher voltage it will generate more heat and higher temperature. You can try to contact EVGA and see if they are willing to RMA, but I highly doubt it since it is still running fine and within specs. If you are comfortable with taking the cooler apart, you may need to re-apply the thermal interface material (TIM) with a better one, such as MX-4 (make sure you use non-conductive paste). Sometimes the TIM EVGA uses may not be the best, or applied unevenly. Clean the thermal compound first with rubbing alcohol. There are plenty of videos online showing how to remove the cooler for the FTW and how to re-apply the TIM.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/21 20:49:57
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Okay..an interesting turn of events. So, I finally decided to hook up all three screens and run iRacing at 7680x1440. I have every graphic setting maxed out, with 30 or so cars in the field, and I'm never going below 144 FPS and my highest temp was 73 degrees. I'm happy...but kind of scratching my head on this one. (This is with the EVGA FTW)
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/22 23:17:26
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Some games do not stress the card 100%, in this case it is probably so as you are getting 144 fps. Gaming is different from benchmarking, as benchmarking will stress the card near 100%. Try a game of Crysis 3 or Metro with surround and you will see more GPU utilization. However, if you are happy with the result of the racing game, then that is good.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/23 02:47:18
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To the OP: Hi, I just scan read all the posts here and in my opinion speed wise you are doing well. You have some good silicon (both cards.) I have spent hours tweaking all tweakable parameters, testing etc. The best my 1080FTW can manage, totally stable, is just below 2,100Mhz core with an ave of 1,950 to 2,000Mhz over a pro longed demanding game session. (I use HWIFO 64 in the background which gives the average - by long session I mean at least 4 hours.). Temps average is very good, but with rare peaks of 75c. I am satisfied as stability is most important to me and I have found that overclocking doesn't yield big performance increases compared to maxwell. Still my silicon is "average," I suppose. Yours is better. Second thing. Not major but temps in some cases seem a wee bit high as mentioned by others. This should be fairly easy to rectify however.
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Re: 1080 FTW Help
2017/01/23 06:58:05
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LFaWolf Some games do not stress the card 100%, in this case it is probably so as you are getting 144 fps. Gaming is different from benchmarking, as benchmarking will stress the card near 100%. Try a game of Crysis 3 or Metro with surround and you will see more GPU utilization. However, if you are happy with the result of the racing game, then that is good.
As far as stressing the card at 100% - I am seeing GPU usage at 100%. I have the fan profile set to aggressive and seeing max fan speed anywhere from 88%-93%. Max temps that I'm seeing after running iRacing for one hour + is 73C. I'm assuming this is okay? I'm also thinking of picking up a couple of case fans and adding them to my case.
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